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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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Jean Steinberg with Jean and Chris

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you're in the para cast and a little bit

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later we'll be joined by two guests who

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will talk about abductions alien contact

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reports and all that stuff but right now

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let's think about last week and one of

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the things that interests me here is the

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way Leslie Kane approaches UFOs

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she keeps her opinions about what they

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are to herself and she's trying to

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interest scientists and government

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officials and her way of thinking which

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makes a lot of sense is if you run in

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there and say we know that the

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government is hiding the truth about the

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alien visitation they can turn her off

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they're gonna shut down they're gonna

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close the door she has to be politically

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correct and that's I guess one of the

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problems that people might have had with

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the Citizen hearing on disclosure where

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Stephen Bassett is completely wild about

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saying we know what spaceships that

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we've got to get the government to tell

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us what they know they are friends or

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enemies or whatever they are are here

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well it's like you know the same thing

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that I experienced here on the podcast

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forum you know you try to be skeptical

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of the ETH and people automatically lump

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you into that whole explanation and you

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know you can you can state something in

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one response that you're not saying that

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it's aliens or ETS or or alien

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spacecraft and then a couple of posts

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later they're saying that you believe

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that and it's like you know some some

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people I either they have to take their

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fingers out of their ears or I don't

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know maybe clean him out or something

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when it comes to to Leslie I really

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think that she's trying her best to

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maintain and attain and maintain a sense

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of gravitas that will I think in the

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long run attract more

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quality attention to the subject then

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leaping towards some sort of unfounded

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explanation we don't know that these are

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ETS and aliens aboard spacecraft we

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don't know that there's no evidence to

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support that and what little evidence is

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out there is is barely circumstantial so

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I think she's taking the the right

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approach

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taking for years and you know you just

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get lumped in with with the crazy

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jumping off into speculative ground and

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I don't think that that serves the

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subject well see one of the problems we

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have here is that UFOs is equated with

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spaceships no UFOs stand for

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unidentified flying objects if we knew

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there were spaceships they wouldn't be

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UFOs you know say for example I

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mentioned this in the forums there was a

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race of aliens called the signals and

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the signals are coming here from Zeta

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Reticuli or whatever and we identify

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them these are signals and so if they're

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flying around the sigmoids

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it wouldn't be a UFO it'd be a zigg

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noise scout ship or a sigmoid mothership

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you get the distinction certainly Chris

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does I hope our listeners understand

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that right now we've taken the position

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myself Chris other people who've worked

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with the power castes most of them taken

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the same position is that UFOs are still

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UFOs that could be spaceships but until

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or unless that is proven they stay as

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UFOs I couldn't have said it better G

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I'm feeling so good I should go home now

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wait a minute I am home you know I rest

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your case again we don't have enough

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data we don't have enough evidence to

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really you know definitively come up

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with some sort of explanation and these

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things are unidentified so let's keep it

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at that I you know I think one of the

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things that I have a problem with this

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and we talk about this is the term UFO

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it's got such baggage attached to it I

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think the idea of coming up with a you

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know UAP unidentified aerial phenomenon

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or a AO anomalous aerial objects I think

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we need to come up with a term that

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doesn't have the

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attached to it like the term UFO does

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and unfortunately I think when skeptics

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and you know people that are possibly

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even debunkers when they hear that term

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their eyes glaze over

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it's like flashing a cape at a bowl it

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just gives them a target to to launch on

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and quite frankly I have spent years

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attempting to maintain a open-minded

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skepticism about what these objects are

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and I think a lot of people are starting

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to really go in that direction in the

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field and it's unfortunate that we're

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all lumped into this this knee-jerk

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assumption that we think that we're

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dealing with aliens and little green men

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I am tired of it it's it's getting

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ridiculous at times and until we really

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get data to support one explanation or

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another I am still gonna be in that

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place of factoring out all possible

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Monday and explanations until proven

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extraordinary and the end of end of

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soapbox rant all right we don't know

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what extraordinary means at this point

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we just know we can't figure out what it

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is the reason or logic that some people

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use to say UFOs or spaceships is a

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process of elimination

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it's not conventional aircraft we don't

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think it's a test aircraft and by the

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way a lot are it's not a conventional

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phenomenon of any sorts not seeing a

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planet or a star an unusual lighting

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condition we can't figure it out what it

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is but it seems to be solid it seems to

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be intelligently controlled we can

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photograph it it leaves trace evidence

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so we assume therefore that since we

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can't explain it it must be et the Gulf

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that wide gulf between something that's

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unexplained and trying to explain it

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without the evidence yes some people

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claim to have been in contact with

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strange beings that they perceive or are

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told is et and we'll be getting into

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that subject a little bit later as we

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explore alien abductions to find out

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what's going on but that's not the

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that's not the final proof that people

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report weird things happening to them

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doesn't mean the things aren't real it

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doesn't mean that there isn't some

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strange thing going on there but we

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don't have the answer we have the answer

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once again it would be

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IFO Chris before we go to our guests I

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think a lot of our listeners are

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wondering how you're doing with that new

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book stalking the herd well it's a

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monumental task I'm really kind of

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understanding why nobody has attempted

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to do this before

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Linda how you know kinda took a stab at

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it back in the early 80s with her alien

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harvest book but basically that was just

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a rundown of newspaper stories and and

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pure speculation on her part that these

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animals are being killed and disfigured

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by ET the assumption again exactly and

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I'm looking at this thing come from all

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possible angles the first part of the

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book is concerning humankind's

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relationship domestication relationship

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and utilization of cattle back all the

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way possibly 11,000 years ago and moving

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forward and looking at yet yet

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humankind's relationship with cattle and

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how this incestuous relationship if you

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can almost call it that how this may

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somehow be involved in the modern

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mystery of the unexplained livestock

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death phenomenon and I'm really

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attempting to be as objective with the

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the work as possible it's it's an

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incredible amount of research in

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correlating of data and gathering up

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these reports from you know all sorts of

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different what I would consider reliable

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sources and it's just a huge monumental

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task but making real good headway real

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good progress with it and it will be out

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I'm hoping the end of August the

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beginning of September and we'll have a

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special episode then and there to cover

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stalking the herd from our own Chris

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O'Brien speaking of new books there is a

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fascinating book that came out recent

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from kathleen martin you know her of

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course is the niece of betty hill and

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someone active in UFO and abduction

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research and denise stoner the book is

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called the alien abduction files the

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most startling cases of human alien

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contact ever reported now of course

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we've all heard of the case of Barney

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so we're going to ask about their

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background of course in this kind of

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research and what they think are the

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most significant cases I'm gonna try and

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take it off dead center and see if we

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can figure out what's really going on

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with UFO abductions Kathleen Martin and

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Martin together they've written a book

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called the alien abduction files the

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most startling cases of human alien

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those case histories after we get into

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their background this field and them of

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forum dot lupara cast calm Denise I'm

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going to talk to you first because

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you're new to the show welcome aboard

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thank you very much for inviting me

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Denise tell our listeners before we get

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started in the nitty-gritty here how you

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got involved in this field well I got

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involved because I've had experiences

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since age two and a half that has

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conscious recall and I had thought about

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it for a very long time tried to figure

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out where all this came from and when I

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was in my 20s and continued to have

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experiences and realized these were not

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nursery rhyme characters that came to

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visit me in real life I started to look

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into it I started to talk to other

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people I began to read about how this

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was all handled and then decided this is

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something I wanted to do I wanted to

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help others let's go back to your

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experiences you were two years old when

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you had your

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two and a half two and a half what do

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you remember that how did strike you at

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what point in your life did you realize

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something really weird would happen then

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well I was standing on the sofa looking

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out a window and my mom was in the

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hospital giving birth to my sister I

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just remember it clear as a bell and

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maybe because my sister was being born I

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was anticipating having a baby brother

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that's what I wanted and I got a sister

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but I hope she doesn't object I was

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looking out the window and there was a

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huge huge egg-shaped object right

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outside the window the telephone lines

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ran right across the front of it it was

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shaped like an egg bright bright bright

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yellow it almost made you want to blink

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and I thought it was Humpty Dumpty

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because Here I am a little kid and I'm

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trying to figure out what this is and so

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that's what I came up with and my

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grandfather and I were very close he had

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cooked us dinner and he came through to

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check on me I was pretty good at

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entertaining myself so he knew I was

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just looking out the window he came

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through and I said why did they put

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Humpty Dumpty in the sky and I recall

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the look on his face of just sheer fear

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I thought in my mind why's grandpa

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afraid why does he have that look on his

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face so then I began to feel a little

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bit afraid and he said let's go up and

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get our bath he closed the blinds and

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let's go to bed

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he took me upstairs gave me my bath put

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me in bed and he went back downstairs he

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read me a story and then I was lying

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there looking at my wallpaper that was

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full of Nursery Rhyme characters and

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pretty soon this little character that I

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thought came out of the wallpaper

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although I didn't see any others that

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looked like him came to the side of my

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bed

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he was hooded but I could see his great

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big dark eyes he was carrying what I

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thought might be a tool or a light

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because it had a light on the end of it

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he took my hand and I knew I was going

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to go with him

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and somehow indicated that I was and we

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went out of my room down the hall and he

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took me right through the wallpaper and

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I ended up in a large craft I now

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realize was a craft and that happened

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many times ok many times now at what

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point in your life did you realize this

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is something more than a fairy tale and

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I need to add a second part of the

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question here any of your remembrances

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of what happened to you when you were

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very young come through direct memory or

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hypnotic regression all of that is

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memory ok so it's just ok so you

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remember this when is the next incident

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it's night after night after night and I

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remember my sister being taken and

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missing from the crib I'm going to look

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for her tiptoeing down the hall to look

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in my mom's room and knowing that she's

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not there and then remembering my dad

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saying boy she's figured out how to get

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out of her crib meaning my sister and

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they put pieces of plywood and my dad

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putting them at the foot of the crib so

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she can't get out and then seeing her

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floating across the top so they took her

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anyway and I'm thinking boy my dad

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doesn't know where she's going I just

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didn't feel like I could tell them oh

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yeah she's being floated over the top so

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you can't keep her in there I didn't

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talk about that when I got older my

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parents built a new home when I was in

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first grade and it was just a Norman

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Rockwell type New England town nobody

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locked their doors everybody knew

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everybody and I found myself standing in

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a park with the bottoms of my pajamas

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soaking wet in the dew and the grass and

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being chased by an entity being chased

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after I had been taken and dropped off

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but they were trying to coat me in some

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kind of liquid I would be chased while

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he tried to drop this liquid on my

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shoulders and I would run till I would

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get to my front door go inside go

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upstairs and get into bed just a fast

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question about this Denise did your

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sister recall abductions she knows

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something happened and she is still

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to this day so terrified she will say I

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know they're there I saw them I've seen

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the crafts and that's all I will talk

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about I will not discuss this pretty

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dramatic this is Krista nice welcome to

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the show

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company quick questions one we're in New

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England did you grow up I grew up in a

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little town just outside of Hartford

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Connecticut okay so you're in

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Connecticut and give us a timeframe when

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are we talking about proximally well I

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was born in 1948 and this was ongoing

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we're talking early 50s then the head of

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the experience of Barney and Betty Hill

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this is this is pretty unusual you know

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Denise we don't have that many quality

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reports or recollections from people

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prior to Kathleen's aunt's event which

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is considered kind of the beginning of

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the modern phase of the abduction

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phenomenon have you encountered anyone

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else who has had experiences from that

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same time period that you began your

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experiences I think a lot of us had and

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speaking of Betty and Barney Hill I

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believe perhaps Kathleen can speak of it

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but a lot perhaps of their family might

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have had things going on and didn't

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speak of it my mom and dad had something

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happened to them my dad has passed away

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Lou Gehrig's disease so he can't talk

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about it now of course my mom recalls

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something happening and and has told me

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about it who knows how long and how many

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years before we just don't know so are

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we seeing here Denise and Kathleen I'm

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sure we'll have something to say as we

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get to the next segment are we seeing

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here the targeting of specific families

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when abductions happen that some

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families see it happen maybe once in a

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lifetime others it's a constant presence

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Oh are you asking maybe you can drop in

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the answer we have 30 seconds before we

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break but go ahead yes I think that Jim

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harder dr. James hotter established this

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years ago and his research on family

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connections to UFO abduction

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experiencers so there does a

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to be a family link I'll tell you what

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we'll get into a lot more about UFO

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abductions the family link their

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experiences but more important trying to

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take these experiences apart and see

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what's going on we have Kathleen Barton

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we have Denise stoner the book is called

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you are listening to the podcast as you

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see Chris is bringing on his alien

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abductor voice Chris have you abducted

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anyone lately nope not quite I've

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abducted quite a number of books from

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Amazon though if to write my book well

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I'll tell you what Amazon enjoys the

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profit just think how you're

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contributing to their low profits at

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Amazon actually I get mine used from the

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used booksellers so I've probably I've

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gotten I don't know probably 1520 books

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for I don't know $50 $60 it's pretty

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amazing let's return to Denis toner and

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Kathleen Martin Oh briefly Denis I could

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see with your background while you got

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interested in the study of UFOs

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Kathleen because of the family

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connection but have you had any

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experiences yourself I had a couple of

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close encounters with UFOs when I was

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growing up and this was during a period

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of time when my aunt was doing contact

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experiments under the direction of

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Robert Holman and CD Jackson who were

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two OSI first investigators who came in

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on their case they met with Betty and

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Barney for the first time in November of

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1961 and they were the ones who sat down

627
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with Betty and Barney and went through

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the actual time frame when their

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abduction occurred and determined at

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that point that Betty and Barney were

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missing a full two to three hours time

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on that trip Betty and Barney before

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that knew that they had arrived home

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later than anticipated but they were not

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certain about the actual number of

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minutes or hours that they were gone

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Robert Holman and CD Jackson after the

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hypnosis sessions that Betty and Barney

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had in 1964 asked Barney and Betty to

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participate in contact experiments they

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would write a script and they would give

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that script to Betty and she was to

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repeat over and over again every night

644
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for certain length of time her request

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for the ETS to come in and show

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themselves and the initial part of that

647
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:35,990
experiment asked the ETS to come in to

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my grandparents farm in Kingston New

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Hampshire

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I grew up across the street from my

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grandparents farm and there was some

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degree of success

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it seems in this happening we did have

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some close encounters I wasn't even

655
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aware that this experiment was taking

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place but I did have two observations of

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craft with my aunt and family members

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and there was a craft that landed on my

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grandparents farm they observed it and a

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commercial pilot who lived up the street

661
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from us was returning home from his job

662
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and he also observed this craft landing

663
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there was physical trace evidence left

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on the ground and there was an

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investigation performed over this after

666
00:30:36,430 --> 00:30:31,850
this occurred some family members began

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to experience what might possibly have

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been alien abduction and we're not

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certain about this but certain people

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have spoken to me confidentially

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00:30:51,730 --> 00:30:48,440
indicating that they suspect that this

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might have happened to them as well now

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looking over these cases we see the

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family connection anyone have a theory

675
00:31:00,220 --> 00:30:57,920
why some families are more susceptible

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than others are we looking at things

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like religious cultural backgrounds

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racial backgrounds things like that this

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00:31:13,090 --> 00:31:09,230
appears to happen across the board in

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every culture every religion every

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socio-economic background every

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educational level professional job it

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00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:22,700
doesn't really matter I don't know what

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the ETS are looking for unless it's a

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00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:28,580
particular type of tissue

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really don't know but it does appear to

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run along family line I have an

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00:31:39,970 --> 00:31:37,220
observation have you spoke with Derrel

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00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:39,980
Sims he seems to think he's come up with

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00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:42,890
some correlated data that suggests the

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00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:46,490
combination of Cherokee and Irish genes

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00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:50,570
has a tendency to make you more I think

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00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:52,910
there's a higher percentage of people at

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00:31:57,250 --> 00:31:55,700
least in his findings that reported

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00:31:59,440 --> 00:31:57,260
abduction experiences are you familiar

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00:32:02,650 --> 00:31:59,450
with that work I know Daryl very well

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00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:02,660
and I'm fully aware of that correlation

698
00:32:06,490 --> 00:32:04,310
that has been drawn and he's more

699
00:32:09,130 --> 00:32:06,500
recently said that he thought that all

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00:32:12,370 --> 00:32:09,140
of that could be traced back to Turkey

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00:32:15,730 --> 00:32:12,380
that the original point of origin was in

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that region of the world there has been

703
00:32:23,850 --> 00:32:19,780
other correlation among bloodlines

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00:32:28,210 --> 00:32:23,860
possibly B or a negative Rh negative

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00:32:32,170 --> 00:32:28,220
factors that was a little bit of what we

706
00:32:35,740 --> 00:32:32,180
looked into when Denise and I started

707
00:32:38,410 --> 00:32:35,750
our UFO abduction experience or survey

708
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:38,420
that was a year-long study and it

709
00:32:46,290 --> 00:32:42,080
involved 50 experiences and a 25-person

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00:32:51,610 --> 00:32:46,300
control group and we were not able to

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00:32:54,370 --> 00:32:51,620
really establish a consistent pattern in

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00:32:56,740 --> 00:32:54,380
that particular part but I knew do know

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00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:56,750
that other individuals have done this

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00:33:01,120 --> 00:32:59,090
type of study and they did establish

715
00:33:05,230 --> 00:33:01,130
what they thought was in a consistent

716
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:05,240
pattern we did find that 59 percent of

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00:33:13,050 --> 00:33:09,770
those that participated were Type A but

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00:33:15,970 --> 00:33:13,060
out of 50 experiencers we had only 29

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00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:15,980
respondents to that question most people

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00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,410
didn't even know their blood type so I

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00:33:22,990 --> 00:33:20,720
can't consider that result to be valid

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00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:23,000
the thing I wonder about here and this

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is where we'll look at what the skeptics

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00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:28,190
might say is if Ichi is coming here and

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00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:30,710
he wanted to take samples of the

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00:33:36,730 --> 00:33:34,310
populace why focus on any specific group

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00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:36,740
why not a little bit of everything I

728
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:40,130
think that they are taking a little bit

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of everything as I stated

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in my answer to the first question I

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believe they are - I think that if you

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take a look at the wider scope and and

733
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you even go back to biblical times and

734
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then you go to other countries who

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00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:59,720
really hadn't spoken of this they're

736
00:34:05,169 --> 00:34:02,240
just coming out and saying well we're

737
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:05,179
taken well yes we have some - and so

738
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,240
worldwide well I would have to say that

739
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:10,960
people are affected all over the world

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00:34:16,359 --> 00:34:14,480
people are now coming out from well if

741
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:16,369
you want to start in let's say Turkey

742
00:34:24,339 --> 00:34:20,330
and England and Scotland and the United

743
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,349
States various countries where a few are

744
00:34:29,290 --> 00:34:26,720
becoming brave enough to say I've been

745
00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:29,300
affected by this I've seen something in

746
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:31,849
the sky I feel like I've had missing

747
00:34:37,389 --> 00:34:33,770
time I don't know where to go for help

748
00:34:40,899 --> 00:34:37,399
so it's all ethnic groups it's broad

749
00:34:44,859 --> 00:34:40,909
spectrum I don't think it's just one

750
00:34:48,129 --> 00:34:44,869
area Chris well are people reporting the

751
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:48,139
same type of entities in from around the

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00:34:53,889 --> 00:34:52,010
world or is there some sort of skew or

753
00:34:54,750 --> 00:34:53,899
variants between descriptions of these

754
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,760
alien types

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00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:57,680
well Kathleen can speak of what she

756
00:35:03,690 --> 00:35:01,520
knows but I I don't have the answer to

757
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:03,700
all of that a lot of them are the same

758
00:35:09,970 --> 00:35:07,130
as far as what I have seen we have a few

759
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:09,980
little new ones because they've

760
00:35:15,460 --> 00:35:12,410
developed some higher maybe higher

761
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:15,470
technology or higher spirituality so

762
00:35:20,349 --> 00:35:16,970
that we have some that are different

763
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:20,359
colors that come in as orbs and then pop

764
00:35:28,060 --> 00:35:23,930
into entities those are new Kathleen

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00:35:30,370 --> 00:35:28,070
what do you have in the research that I

766
00:35:32,770 --> 00:35:30,380
have done and I'm speaking about my own

767
00:35:36,940 --> 00:35:32,780
personal research speaking to people

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00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:36,950
around the world the greatest percentage

769
00:35:44,380 --> 00:35:41,359
that is reported are the greys some

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00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:44,390
people are also reporting an insectoid

771
00:35:49,210 --> 00:35:46,609
type that they call the praying mantis

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00:35:52,260 --> 00:35:49,220
type that I would say that that comes

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00:35:55,540 --> 00:35:52,270
number two and that they are often seen

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00:35:58,690 --> 00:35:55,550
working with the gray I know very

775
00:36:02,850 --> 00:35:58,700
very intriguing because prior to the

776
00:36:05,860 --> 00:36:02,860
seventies these big-headed gray type

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00:36:08,140 --> 00:36:05,870
reports of seeing Hannity's of this type

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00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:08,150
we're almost exclusively in North

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00:36:13,570 --> 00:36:11,450
American phenomenon and ever since the

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00:36:16,510 --> 00:36:13,580
80s we've seen a spread of these types

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00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:16,520
of reports around the world whereas

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00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:19,030
prior to that down in South America

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00:36:24,670 --> 00:36:21,530
oftentimes entities were described as

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short hairy dwarves I'll get into the

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look of the UFO entity and a lot more we

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have the nice stoner with kathleen

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[Music]

887
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:15,030
with Gian Chris on the para casts we

888
00:41:19,630 --> 00:41:16,890
have Kathleen Martin we have Denis

889
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:19,640
stoner before we progressed any further

890
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,410
Kathleen with regard to what Chris said

891
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:25,440
in the previous segment about the look

892
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:29,010
of UFO entities changing or being

893
00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:30,930
different what's your response I would

894
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:33,870
say that he had mentioned the short

895
00:41:40,610 --> 00:41:37,110
hairy Dwarfs only one individual who

896
00:41:44,090 --> 00:41:40,620
participated in our study stated that

897
00:41:48,110 --> 00:41:44,100
she had observed this short hairy dwarf

898
00:41:51,380 --> 00:41:48,120
and if I'm recalling correctly her

899
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:51,390
heritage was originally in South America

900
00:42:01,730 --> 00:41:55,770
everybody else was reporting the greys

901
00:42:04,850 --> 00:42:01,740
the insectoids reptilians and the Nordic

902
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:04,860
types as well very small percentage

903
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:08,720
reported the Nordic types in fact and

904
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:12,210
that there were a few other variations

905
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:15,660
tall whites tall Golden's but this was a

906
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:19,410
very tiny percentage but when you get

907
00:42:24,110 --> 00:42:21,930
the variations do you give them equal

908
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:24,120
weight do you assume that they are

909
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,760
really seeing a different entity or is

910
00:42:31,220 --> 00:42:28,800
everyone just interpreting the entity in

911
00:42:34,580 --> 00:42:31,230
accordance with popular culture for

912
00:42:39,470 --> 00:42:34,590
example well I was doing a statistical

913
00:42:42,590 --> 00:42:39,480
analysis here so I don't give everyone

914
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:42,600
everything equal weight because this was

915
00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:45,540
only one report so say it was only one

916
00:42:53,780 --> 00:42:50,750
or two percent in my statistical figure

917
00:42:57,590 --> 00:42:53,790
and and it was clearly laid out

918
00:42:59,180 --> 00:42:57,600
statistically I do think that oh I'm

919
00:43:05,060 --> 00:42:59,190
sorry I don't know sir I think that

920
00:43:07,820 --> 00:43:05,070
these these reports are descriptions of

921
00:43:11,390 --> 00:43:07,830
the same entity certainly at all white

922
00:43:13,780 --> 00:43:11,400
is not the same as a gray and I like to

923
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,790
give people credit for their

924
00:43:17,490 --> 00:43:15,040
observations

925
00:43:19,950 --> 00:43:17,500
and you know I've I have talked to other

926
00:43:23,250 --> 00:43:19,960
people since then from around the United

927
00:43:27,390 --> 00:43:23,260
States and and others have reported this

928
00:43:29,850 --> 00:43:27,400
tall white type as well or at all golden

929
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:29,860
type it's just a very tiny percentage

930
00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:33,040
and you know if this group is here then

931
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:36,040
they are not as active in their

932
00:43:42,180 --> 00:43:39,760
experimental program as the Grays who

933
00:43:44,130 --> 00:43:42,190
have been here for a very long time so

934
00:43:46,860 --> 00:43:44,140
you're basically assuming here that when

935
00:43:49,710 --> 00:43:46,870
a type of creature is reported those

936
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:49,720
reports are accurately describing what

937
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:52,090
they see well I said that I'm giving

938
00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:54,970
people credit for that and it appears

939
00:44:02,610 --> 00:43:58,200
that there are probably several types of

940
00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:02,620
gray aliens as well because the

941
00:44:08,340 --> 00:44:06,670
descriptions vary slightly and perhaps

942
00:44:12,930 --> 00:44:08,350
we're talking about different great

943
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:12,940
different races of greys what percentage

944
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:15,760
of these cases in your statistical study

945
00:44:20,850 --> 00:44:18,640
what percentage of these cases featured

946
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:20,860
information that was consciously

947
00:44:27,570 --> 00:44:23,710
remembered versus some sort of hypnotic

948
00:44:30,740 --> 00:44:27,580
regression it was a very high percentage

949
00:44:35,130 --> 00:44:30,750
we asked the question are your abduction

950
00:44:40,770 --> 00:44:35,140
recollections conscious and 88% stated

951
00:44:44,460 --> 00:44:40,780
that they were at least one and we asked

952
00:44:47,340 --> 00:44:44,470
through dreams 56 percent had also had

953
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:47,350
dreams we asked if they will recall

954
00:44:54,690 --> 00:44:49,810
through hypnosis and only 38 percent

955
00:44:58,890 --> 00:44:54,700
said that they had had hypnosis and only

956
00:45:01,890 --> 00:44:58,900
16 percent said that they had memories

957
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:01,900
through other means such as flashbacks

958
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:04,570
now when it comes to hypnosis Kathleen

959
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:06,610
what do the studies show about the

960
00:45:11,810 --> 00:45:09,010
accuracy of information retrieved that

961
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:11,820
way it's been disputed as you know oh

962
00:45:18,570 --> 00:45:15,610
absolutely I have studied hypnosis for

963
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:18,580
many many years dating back to the early

964
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:22,200
1990s and have written a couple of

965
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:25,930
scholarly papers based upon my research

966
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:29,110
I'm also a certified hypnotist

967
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:32,410
and something that I have learned and

968
00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:35,890
through all of this learning process is

969
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:40,630
that any statements made through here

970
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:43,450
under hypnosis is not necessarily

971
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:48,310
accurate you it's very good when we have

972
00:45:55,170 --> 00:45:51,010
two people who are hypnotized separately

973
00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:55,180
and ask the same questions and such as

974
00:46:00,300 --> 00:45:57,250
in the case of Betty and Barney Hill and

975
00:46:01,590 --> 00:46:00,310
such as in the case of Denise stoner and

976
00:46:03,870 --> 00:46:01,600
her husband Edie

977
00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:03,880
who had a significant missing time

978
00:46:11,340 --> 00:46:08,260
experience in 1982 Denise we're going to

979
00:46:13,620 --> 00:46:11,350
want to ask about that too yes okay so

980
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:13,630
but the point being Kathleen is that

981
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:15,610
we're talking here about the fact that

982
00:46:20,670 --> 00:46:18,910
most of these experiences are remembered

983
00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:20,680
consciously but then when it comes to

984
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:23,110
missing time then you're forced to use

985
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:24,640
hypnotic regression to bring memories

986
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:27,370
back or what yes if there's no memory

987
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:28,810
there and you're doing an investigation

988
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:32,560
you think that it's valid then you might

989
00:46:41,850 --> 00:46:38,110
want to use hypnosis individually and to

990
00:46:43,740 --> 00:46:41,860
give the suggestion for amnesia and when

991
00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:43,750
you do that then you are able to

992
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:47,350
determine if the experience actually

993
00:46:53,610 --> 00:46:50,710
happened and be able to compare

994
00:46:55,740 --> 00:46:53,620
individual statements to determine

995
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:55,750
whether or not the statements are

996
00:47:00,510 --> 00:46:58,210
consistent Chris you want to drop in

997
00:47:02,370 --> 00:47:00,520
with the comment there yeah another

998
00:47:05,610 --> 00:47:02,380
thing that I'm interested in too is

999
00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:05,620
shared experiences Denise you mentioned

1000
00:47:10,890 --> 00:47:07,960
a shared experience of missing time with

1001
00:47:12,750 --> 00:47:10,900
your husband and also possibly shared

1002
00:47:14,820 --> 00:47:12,760
experiences with your sister

1003
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:14,830
of course Betty and Barney Hills quite

1004
00:47:18,780 --> 00:47:16,450
famous for the fact that the two of them

1005
00:47:20,220 --> 00:47:18,790
both shared they didn't share exact

1006
00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:20,230
details of their experience but they

1007
00:47:25,380 --> 00:47:22,990
both remembered having this shared

1008
00:47:28,890 --> 00:47:25,390
experience and they go to the air exact

1009
00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:28,900
details as well yeah in other words but

1010
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:31,030
but my question is I guess how many of

1011
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:33,970
these cases in your study and that

1012
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:36,250
you're aware of feature more than one

1013
00:47:41,890 --> 00:47:38,850
person having an experience that then

1014
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:41,900
seems to dovetail into some sort

1015
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:44,510
shared experience versus just

1016
00:47:52,990 --> 00:47:48,530
stand-alone type of cases boy there's

1017
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:53,000
quite a few we had a percentage because

1018
00:47:57,070 --> 00:47:55,130
we asked there's more than then you

1019
00:47:59,650 --> 00:47:57,080
would realize I can try and look that up

1020
00:48:08,050 --> 00:47:59,660
for your Kathleen can because that was

1021
00:48:10,270 --> 00:48:08,060
one of the question we asked was with

1022
00:48:13,930 --> 00:48:10,280
anyone with you when you were taken or

1023
00:48:16,650 --> 00:48:13,940
visited and 76% answered in the

1024
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:16,660
affirmative wow that's surprising

1025
00:48:20,530 --> 00:48:19,130
startling that is surprising to me

1026
00:48:22,510 --> 00:48:20,540
because I was always under the

1027
00:48:24,670 --> 00:48:22,520
impression that the vast majority of

1028
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:24,680
these types of experiences were

1029
00:48:29,650 --> 00:48:27,710
standalone for an individual that's very

1030
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:29,660
very surprising that such a high

1031
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,730
percentage would would feature more than

1032
00:48:36,910 --> 00:48:33,920
one person how many do you have any

1033
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:36,920
cases that feature a group of people

1034
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:40,370
let's say three or four five maybe well

1035
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:43,010
I certainly know that John Carpenter's

1036
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:46,450
research back in the 80s and 90s

1037
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:51,110
revealed cases of groups of individuals

1038
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:54,290
who were taken together that isn't

1039
00:48:59,260 --> 00:48:56,330
something that denieth and I asked on

1040
00:49:02,080 --> 00:48:59,270
our study I think that Debra Linderman

1041
00:49:04,090 --> 00:49:02,090
may have had some as well mm-hmm and we

1042
00:49:07,870 --> 00:49:04,100
are beginning to take a look at some

1043
00:49:10,330 --> 00:49:07,880
things such as questioning individuals

1044
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:10,340
who have been on a craft and did they

1045
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:14,810
recognize somebody on that craft or do

1046
00:49:18,670 --> 00:49:16,730
they believe that they knew someone else

1047
00:49:22,180 --> 00:49:18,680
that was on the craft whether that other

1048
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:22,190
individual recalls or has reported that

1049
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:25,370
abduction we're beginning to step into

1050
00:49:31,420 --> 00:49:28,880
that arena just to see what we can find

1051
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:31,430
out and we've discovered in a couple of

1052
00:49:37,690 --> 00:49:34,510
instances that this has been the case

1053
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:37,700
that that individuals have recognized

1054
00:49:44,860 --> 00:49:42,050
others on a craft that they know and it

1055
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:44,870
could point out after the abduction is

1056
00:49:50,650 --> 00:49:47,090
over with the individuals being family

1057
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:50,660
members friends what friends people that

1058
00:49:55,860 --> 00:49:52,850
they know do they go to their friends

1059
00:49:59,320 --> 00:49:55,870
then say were you there

1060
00:50:02,380 --> 00:49:59,330
no but you can you can question them in

1061
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:02,390
other words do you own an outfit like

1062
00:50:08,650 --> 00:50:06,530
this do you own a suit and a tie or do

1063
00:50:11,530 --> 00:50:08,660
you own a jogging suit do you own this

1064
00:50:14,170 --> 00:50:11,540
or that and you can begin to do a little

1065
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:14,180
bit of an investigation that way I've

1066
00:50:22,330 --> 00:50:18,850
received reports of individuals who have

1067
00:50:24,190 --> 00:50:22,340
met other people on board a craft and

1068
00:50:28,420 --> 00:50:24,200
didn't know who they were they were

1069
00:50:32,650 --> 00:50:28,430
strangers and then outside at a social

1070
00:50:35,290 --> 00:50:32,660
event saw these people and spoke to them

1071
00:50:38,140 --> 00:50:35,300
and they realized that the two of them

1072
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:38,150
had been aboard the same craft wow

1073
00:50:41,890 --> 00:50:39,770
that's that's compelling

1074
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:41,900
yes that's happened to that's that would

1075
00:50:47,410 --> 00:50:44,570
be difficult to explain with some sort

1076
00:50:50,260 --> 00:50:47,420
of mundane you know your typical

1077
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:50,270
skeptical debunk er explanation of this

1078
00:50:57,130 --> 00:50:54,170
is sleep paralysis these are you know

1079
00:50:58,810 --> 00:50:57,140
some sort of hypnagogic state or some

1080
00:51:01,300 --> 00:50:58,820
sort of nightmare it'd be difficult to

1081
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,310
see somebody and then and not know who

1082
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:03,200
they are and then run into them later in

1083
00:51:09,070 --> 00:51:07,970
waking everyday life and that's very

1084
00:51:13,450 --> 00:51:09,080
compelling

1085
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:13,460
you can't tuck that away this is

1086
00:51:17,290 --> 00:51:15,170
something that has to be tucked away

1087
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,300
we have kathleen martin and denise

1088
00:51:22,420 --> 00:51:19,520
stoner who wrote a book called the alien

1089
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:22,430
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00:54:15,549 --> 00:54:12,920
here's Jane Steinberg we have Denise

1136
00:54:17,950 --> 00:54:15,559
stoner Kathleen Martin the book is

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called the alien abduction files with

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00:54:22,450 --> 00:54:20,150
Gina and Chris and the para casts Denise

1139
00:54:25,930 --> 00:54:22,460
the experience involving your husband

1140
00:54:28,690 --> 00:54:25,940
tell us more well we both lived for

1141
00:54:31,210 --> 00:54:28,700
almost 20 years in Colorado just outside

1142
00:54:34,930 --> 00:54:31,220
Denver in a town called Arvada and we

1143
00:54:38,049 --> 00:54:34,940
also had a older mobile home up on a

1144
00:54:40,269 --> 00:54:38,059
ranch in a town called Buena Vista and

1145
00:54:42,910 --> 00:54:40,279
so did my parents and they lived in

1146
00:54:46,660 --> 00:54:42,920
Colorado Springs it didn't take them as

1147
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:46,670
long to get there as it did us so we

1148
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,130
would leave on a Friday as early as we

1149
00:54:54,490 --> 00:54:51,920
could possibly get off work to get there

1150
00:54:56,499 --> 00:54:54,500
and spend a two to a three day weekend

1151
00:54:58,809 --> 00:54:56,509
up there way out in the middle of

1152
00:55:01,299 --> 00:54:58,819
nowhere with no phones and it was on the

1153
00:55:02,859 --> 00:55:01,309
Arkansas River catch fresh trout for

1154
00:55:07,259 --> 00:55:02,869
breakfast and just really enjoy

1155
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:07,269
ourselves so this one day in August 1982

1156
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:10,910
we were packing the car at 5:00 a.m. we

1157
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:12,890
were to meet my parents up there my mom

1158
00:55:17,529 --> 00:55:15,410
was cooking dinner to have it ready by

1159
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:17,539
around 8 o'clock for us and we were

1160
00:55:22,779 --> 00:55:20,089
always always on time so my parents

1161
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:22,789
wouldn't worry so we left town had a

1162
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:25,609
little bit of traffic at first once we

1163
00:55:32,769 --> 00:55:29,359
got up to an area called Kenosha Pass it

1164
00:55:35,170 --> 00:55:32,779
was a mountain pass we were looking down

1165
00:55:37,569 --> 00:55:35,180
from the top of that pass over a glacier

1166
00:55:39,460 --> 00:55:37,579
valley and sitting up on top of the pass

1167
00:55:42,009 --> 00:55:39,470
we got out of the car stretched for

1168
00:55:43,329 --> 00:55:42,019
about five minutes went on down to the

1169
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bottom through a little town called

1170
00:55:49,269 --> 00:55:45,650
Jefferson everything was lit up by

1171
00:55:51,309 --> 00:55:49,279
sunlight so it was daylight and I was

1172
00:55:54,730 --> 00:55:51,319
watching two lights off in the distance

1173
00:55:56,890 --> 00:55:54,740
in the high desert valley and they kept

1174
00:55:58,690 --> 00:55:56,900
getting closer and closer to us as we

1175
00:56:00,910 --> 00:55:58,700
passed through the town of Jefferson I

1176
00:56:01,819 --> 00:56:00,920
saw the lights come over the top of the

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00:56:04,099 --> 00:56:01,829
car looked

1178
00:56:05,569 --> 00:56:04,109
my husband and we'd been talking he was

1179
00:56:08,059 --> 00:56:05,579
no longer responding

1180
00:56:10,279 --> 00:56:08,069
I felt the tires scraping on the side of

1181
00:56:12,949 --> 00:56:10,289
the road my husband did recall this too

1182
00:56:15,289 --> 00:56:12,959
he had set the odometer because we were

1183
00:56:17,180 --> 00:56:15,299
concerned about gas mileage to make sure

1184
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:17,190
that this newer car was operating

1185
00:56:24,380 --> 00:56:21,569
properly and the car went up over some

1186
00:56:27,319 --> 00:56:24,390
snow barriers wooden snow barriers off

1187
00:56:29,959 --> 00:56:27,329
into the desert I felt it coming to a

1188
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:29,969
stop I'm coming down to the floor of the

1189
00:56:35,059 --> 00:56:33,450
desert and the next thing I realized we

1190
00:56:37,579 --> 00:56:35,069
were all the way across that desert

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00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:37,589
valley and we had landed on trout Creek

1192
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:40,440
Pass and it was pitch dark and the

1193
00:56:44,839 --> 00:56:42,209
headlights were turned on we had not

1194
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:44,849
turned them on and it was 11 o'clock at

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00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:47,369
night and we would have arrived in Buena

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00:56:53,150 --> 00:56:50,609
Vista at 8 o'clock approximately well

1197
00:56:54,949 --> 00:56:53,160
interesting you know I did about 13

1198
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:54,959
years of investigation in the San Luis

1199
00:57:00,289 --> 00:56:57,839
Valley just just south of there and also

1200
00:57:01,749 --> 00:57:00,299
some cases from South Park which is the

1201
00:57:04,849 --> 00:57:01,759
area that you're referring to

1202
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:04,859
very interesting cases around Kenosha

1203
00:57:11,209 --> 00:57:08,729
pass Jefferson down into Fair Play and

1204
00:57:13,759 --> 00:57:11,219
then over to the east over by the

1205
00:57:16,189 --> 00:57:13,769
reservoirs between Pikes Peak and and

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00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:16,199
South Park that's a very interesting

1207
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:19,650
area of cattle mutilation cases were

1208
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:22,170
reported there in the early 90s that is

1209
00:57:26,959 --> 00:57:24,930
a hotbed of activity there did you ever

1210
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:26,969
contact any of the county officials

1211
00:57:31,729 --> 00:57:29,609
there in Park County or did you ever do

1212
00:57:34,729 --> 00:57:31,739
any sort of follow-up in the area there

1213
00:57:36,979 --> 00:57:34,739
to may be ascertain the level of

1214
00:57:39,859 --> 00:57:36,989
activity that was going on there I was

1215
00:57:43,339 --> 00:57:39,869
not really investigating at the time all

1216
00:57:46,999 --> 00:57:43,349
we did was panic I was afraid my husband

1217
00:57:48,620 --> 00:57:47,009
was afraid disoriented very fearful we

1218
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:48,630
looked at the odometer it had not

1219
00:57:53,630 --> 00:57:50,940
changed or moved from the time we were

1220
00:57:56,180 --> 00:57:53,640
at the top of Kenosha to the top Creek

1221
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:56,190
Pass had not moved we decided we'd

1222
00:58:03,380 --> 00:58:00,180
better get that's a good 30 miles Oh 40

1223
00:58:05,539 --> 00:58:03,390
mile yeah mm-hmm so we moved on into

1224
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:05,549
Buena Vista which is about seven to nine

1225
00:58:11,059 --> 00:58:08,400
miles further off of Trout Creek our

1226
00:58:12,859 --> 00:58:11,069
odometer began to work just fine the

1227
00:58:13,140 --> 00:58:12,869
headlights were on we didn't turn them

1228
00:58:17,490 --> 00:58:13,150
on

1229
00:58:20,250 --> 00:58:17,500
in the backseat a little dog was sound

1230
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:20,260
asleep moved in and as we approached the

1231
00:58:25,319 --> 00:58:22,930
ranch property my parents and family

1232
00:58:27,569 --> 00:58:25,329
friend had walked from their mobile home

1233
00:58:29,970 --> 00:58:27,579
down to the ranch house they were going

1234
00:58:32,490 --> 00:58:29,980
to wake up the caretaker and asked to

1235
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:32,500
use the phone the only phone there to

1236
00:58:37,230 --> 00:58:36,010
call Hospital police and look for us my

1237
00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:37,240
dad was going to get in the car and

1238
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:39,849
drive the route to try and find us just

1239
00:58:45,089 --> 00:58:42,160
as we pulled in and of course they said

1240
00:58:47,250 --> 00:58:45,099
where have you been and we just looked

1241
00:58:49,470 --> 00:58:47,260
at them and said we don't know we have

1242
00:58:52,319 --> 00:58:49,480
no idea my dad could tell that we're

1243
00:58:54,809 --> 00:58:52,329
really kind of shaken up and he he

1244
00:58:58,289 --> 00:58:54,819
worked in aerospace himself so didn't

1245
00:59:00,900 --> 00:58:58,299
our family friend so they really after a

1246
00:59:03,029 --> 00:59:00,910
few minutes let it go my mom never would

1247
00:59:08,099 --> 00:59:03,039
she would keep at it until I gave her an

1248
00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:08,109
answer that's just the way ya had to

1249
00:59:14,250 --> 00:59:10,329
know I wanted to know what I'd been up

1250
00:59:18,539 --> 00:59:14,260
to there had to be an answer so there

1251
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:18,549
never was until I began to have some odd

1252
00:59:22,140 --> 00:59:19,450
dreams

1253
00:59:25,460 --> 00:59:22,150
flashes of memory of something that had

1254
00:59:28,380 --> 00:59:25,470
been done to me physically odd faces and

1255
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:28,390
started to think about the fact that

1256
00:59:33,390 --> 00:59:31,359
perhaps we had been abducted now when

1257
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,400
you were abducted undergoing this

1258
00:59:38,940 --> 00:59:35,440
experience the beings you saw these were

1259
00:59:41,660 --> 00:59:38,950
greys yes okay did they perform any

1260
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:41,670
physical experiments on you yes

1261
00:59:47,970 --> 00:59:44,650
absolutely did you ever encounter any

1262
00:59:49,170 --> 00:59:47,980
evidence of some sort of implant oh yes

1263
00:59:51,210 --> 00:59:49,180
several times

1264
00:59:54,359 --> 00:59:51,220
matter of fact up to fairly recently

1265
00:59:57,150 --> 00:59:54,369
when Kathleen helped me to track one

1266
00:59:59,940 --> 00:59:57,160
that was in my elbow and it traveled

1267
01:00:01,980 --> 00:59:59,950
down my arm and down into my hand and

1268
01:00:03,660 --> 01:00:01,990
then disappeared disappear in other

1269
01:00:06,809 --> 01:00:03,670
words this was nothing that could be as

1270
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:06,819
they say removed no because it was gone

1271
01:00:10,319 --> 01:00:08,650
before we could do anything about it

1272
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:10,329
you are aware of the research of dr.

1273
01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:12,640
Roger Leir who's reporting you've

1274
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:15,369
recovered this stuff oh yes have you

1275
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:17,410
been in touch with him at all about any

1276
01:00:23,069 --> 01:00:18,970
of the experiences that you have

1277
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:23,079
investigated I have not not as far as

1278
01:00:27,470 --> 01:00:25,710
well now as far as myself and I have not

1279
01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:27,480
had anyone that was willing to step

1280
01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:30,900
forward and and talk to him if we had

1281
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:32,520
caught this one and it didn't look like

1282
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:34,650
it was going to go anywhere I wouldn't

1283
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:38,250
have minded talking to him but Kathleen

1284
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:40,290
and I were tracking this in my arm and

1285
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:43,770
it just it just disappeared and it moved

1286
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:47,040
during a period of five to six days and

1287
01:00:49,849 --> 01:00:48,510
I'm confused how did you know it was

1288
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:49,859
there in the first place and then how

1289
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:51,450
did you how were you able to track it

1290
01:00:59,240 --> 01:00:56,000
I felt it it was we just under the skin

1291
01:01:02,060 --> 01:00:59,250
yeah yes it was about the size of a baby

1292
01:01:04,849 --> 01:01:02,070
okay did you try an x-ray to see if you

1293
01:01:06,890 --> 01:01:04,859
could see something no I did not it's

1294
01:01:09,740 --> 01:01:06,900
kind of hard to ask someone to do an

1295
01:01:12,050 --> 01:01:09,750
x-ray I didn't know what my doctors

1296
01:01:14,270 --> 01:01:12,060
would say and that we just kept

1297
01:01:16,490 --> 01:01:14,280
following it with our fingers and there

1298
01:01:18,349 --> 01:01:16,500
was really no reason for something to

1299
01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:18,359
show up like that and keep moving down

1300
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:20,700
my arm to my hand

1301
01:01:26,900 --> 01:01:25,200
like that and no I did not I don't know

1302
01:01:30,620 --> 01:01:26,910
what what I would have been told

1303
01:01:33,859 --> 01:01:30,630
Kathleen have you ever done any studies

1304
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:33,869
of these implants well I've certainly

1305
01:01:39,410 --> 01:01:36,930
read Roger layers books listened to his

1306
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:39,420
lectures spoken to him and spoken to

1307
01:01:44,660 --> 01:01:43,290
Steve : so I know the information that

1308
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:44,670
they've provided and one of the

1309
01:01:49,790 --> 01:01:47,730
experiences that I work with whose case

1310
01:01:52,250 --> 01:01:49,800
I've been investigating over the past

1311
01:01:56,530 --> 01:01:52,260
several years did have an implant

1312
01:02:01,810 --> 01:01:56,540
removed and sentence on to Derrel Sims

1313
01:02:05,900 --> 01:02:01,820
to be evaluated at one point and never

1314
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:05,910
received information back about what had

1315
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:09,450
happened to it did he follow up where

1316
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:13,280
she found yes but I guess Daryl doesn't

1317
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:16,410
put the names of people on to his files

1318
01:02:21,290 --> 01:02:19,170
and he must have hundreds of these from

1319
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:21,300
his statement I attempted to follow up

1320
01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:24,450
with him as well and so he wasn't able

1321
01:02:31,220 --> 01:02:28,980
to to find it um in his files because

1322
01:02:34,420 --> 01:02:31,230
the person's identity had been hidden

1323
01:02:38,779 --> 01:02:34,430
apparently that doesn't make it easy

1324
01:02:40,189 --> 01:02:38,789
I have no implants also I have

1325
01:02:42,469 --> 01:02:40,199
them and I collected them and they're

1326
01:02:44,359 --> 01:02:42,479
both from individuals that are retired

1327
01:02:46,459 --> 01:02:44,369
Coast Guard and I'm afraid to do

1328
01:02:48,469 --> 01:02:46,469
anything like that with them because I

1329
01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:48,479
promised these people I would not lose

1330
01:02:53,179 --> 01:02:50,910
them and pass them from my hand to

1331
01:02:55,189 --> 01:02:53,189
someone else's and back again the same

1332
01:02:57,289 --> 01:02:55,199
way but how do you investigate them if

1333
01:02:59,419 --> 01:02:57,299
you don't have them subjected to some

1334
01:03:01,819 --> 01:02:59,429
sort of scientific analysis that's right

1335
01:03:04,729 --> 01:03:01,829
right and it's it's very very difficult

1336
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:04,739
to do how do I find someone willing to

1337
01:03:10,009 --> 01:03:07,169
do that drop them in the mail and have

1338
01:03:12,589 --> 01:03:10,019
them lost and just like Kathleen just

1339
01:03:14,449 --> 01:03:12,599
said you never hear anything as far as

1340
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:14,459
results what do we do

1341
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:16,650
the dilemma will go into more of this

1342
01:03:21,739 --> 01:03:19,049
what about alien implants where do you

1343
01:03:24,349 --> 01:03:21,749
send them to dr. Leir do you just fly it

1344
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:24,359
down maybe that's one way handed to him

1345
01:03:29,449 --> 01:03:26,640
or someone else personally our guests

1346
01:03:32,229 --> 01:03:29,459
are Denise stoner Kathleen Martin the

1347
01:03:34,819 --> 01:03:32,239
book is the alien abduction files

1348
01:03:38,239 --> 01:03:34,829
subtitled the most startling cases of

1349
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:38,249
human alien contact ever reported with

1350
01:03:48,820 --> 01:03:41,280
Gene and Kris you're in the para cast

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contact ever reported well I guess that

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we have two nice stoner and Kathleen

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Martin with gene and Chris Kathleen

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01:08:26,829 --> 01:08:23,180
among all the abduction cases that are

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in your book if I said Kathleen give me

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a textbook case of alien abduction with

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the best evidence possible what case

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would you cite that is in my opinion the

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case of Denise and Ed's stoner their

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1982 abduction and missing time events

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in South Park in Colorado while they

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were on vacation they were witnesses

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their 14 year old daughter was with them

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Denise's family was waiting on the other

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end they had dinner ready for them and

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then they had this extraordinary event

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they had a close encounter with a UFO

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and as if only a moment had passed they

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found themselves down the road 40 miles

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on the other side of South Park on Trout

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Creek pass it had been daylight when

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they had the UFO sighting and when they

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found themselves on crowd Trout Creek

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pass it was 11 o'clock at night they

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were missing three hours time they were

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startled they were having some problems

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with this over the years

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Denise originally invested in went to a

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hypnotist in Denver Colorado and he

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worked with her she came to me after we

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had met here in Florida and eventually

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told me confidentially that she was an

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experiencer and I kept that information

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confidential for quite a period of time

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she told me that she had not been able

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to reach

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any of the files that she had with this

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hypnotist who was now deceased and had

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very little memory about what had

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happened while during the abduction

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itself so I offered to assist her in

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facilitating her memory again about

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these events and eventually also worked

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with her husband Edie

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and I wanted to just say that when I use

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hypnotic regression I realized that I

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have to safeguard against the

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possibility that a hypnotized person

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might construct false memories where no

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real memories exist that's one of the

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key arguments a skeptic will address or

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will talk about to say you know they're

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just feeding them the information

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they're not professionals and they're

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causing people to remember things that

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01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:04,400
really didn't happen how do you take

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01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:06,050
precautions what kind of precautions can

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you take okay I prefer to use forensic

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hypnosis it's widely used by police

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departments which requires the use of

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carefully worded questions that

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01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:19,010
discourage the construction of false

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01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:22,130
information forensic hypnosis gained

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01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:25,730
notoriety in 1976 when a California bus

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01:11:33,070 --> 01:11:29,510
driver and 27 of his students on the bus

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were kidnapped and buried alive the

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01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:35,510
driver escaped and led the police back

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01:11:39,250 --> 01:11:38,480
to the children who were released to

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01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:39,260
their parents

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01:11:44,740 --> 01:11:42,410
the bus driver then underwent forensic

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01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:44,750
hypnosis and remembered the license

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01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:47,570
plate number on the kidnappers van and

1527
01:11:53,380 --> 01:11:50,480
this led to the arrest and successful

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01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:53,390
prosecution of the criminal so that's

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the kind of hypnosis that I use I don't

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ask leading questions in fact I asked a

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01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:03,140
very few questions mostly what I do is

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01:12:10,300 --> 01:12:06,800
only repeat what the experiencer has

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01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:10,310
just stated as they're telling in detail

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01:12:16,770 --> 01:12:13,490
everything that they can remember and I

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01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:16,780
always caution them not to fill in

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01:12:21,609 --> 01:12:20,930
anything with anything that is not true

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01:12:27,939 --> 01:12:21,619
in

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01:12:28,359 --> 01:12:27,949
just say had a question here about that

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01:12:30,430 --> 01:12:28,369
though

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01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:30,440
have there been surveys done of this

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01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:32,719
kind of forensic hypnosis to see what

1542
01:12:37,959 --> 01:12:35,050
percentage of accuracy is achieved in

1543
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:37,969
recalling these memories I'm not aware

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01:12:43,149 --> 01:12:41,330
of surveys that have been done but I can

1545
01:12:47,350 --> 01:12:43,159
tell you that it was the only type of

1546
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:47,360
hypnosis that used to be permitted as

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01:12:52,990 --> 01:12:50,480
evidence in a court of law and yes and I

1548
01:12:56,140 --> 01:12:53,000
can tell you what it causes a person to

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01:12:58,899 --> 01:12:56,150
do because I'm familiar with hypnosis

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01:13:01,540 --> 01:12:58,909
also and I am a certified hypnotist and

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01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:01,550
I took that course also that I'm

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01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:04,610
certified in as far as forensic or

1553
01:13:10,660 --> 01:13:07,610
regression what it causes a person to do

1554
01:13:11,890 --> 01:13:10,670
is when she when she would say to me

1555
01:13:16,780 --> 01:13:11,900
what do you see

1556
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:16,790
or where are you causes you in your mind

1557
01:13:21,660 --> 01:13:19,489
to look around and if you don't see

1558
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:21,670
anything there you have nothing to say

1559
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:24,320
but if you do see something you can

1560
01:13:29,589 --> 01:13:26,239
begin to describe it and talk about it

1561
01:13:32,770 --> 01:13:29,599
but she's given you no clues at all and

1562
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:32,780
no suggestions and let me state that I

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01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:34,880
had both edy

1564
01:13:41,919 --> 01:13:39,710
and Denice as witnesses i hypnotized

1565
01:13:46,540 --> 01:13:41,929
them separately i hypnotized Denice

1566
01:13:49,260 --> 01:13:46,550
first and she had amnesia for her

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01:13:53,950 --> 01:13:49,270
statements for the information that I

1568
01:13:57,339 --> 01:13:53,960
wanted from Ed and I'd like to just read

1569
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:57,349
to you if I can edie statement about

1570
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:01,520
what he recalled he said as he was

1571
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:03,920
driving Denise was drawing his attention

1572
01:14:09,609 --> 01:14:06,290
to a house under construction on the

1573
01:14:11,530 --> 01:14:09,619
side of the road at this is the instant

1574
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:11,540
that Denise states that she was actually

1575
01:14:17,140 --> 01:14:14,000
pointing out lights rapidly approaching

1576
01:14:19,660 --> 01:14:17,150
the car suddenly he becomes disoriented

1577
01:14:22,060 --> 01:14:19,670
in senses that his car has stopped but

1578
01:14:24,970 --> 01:14:22,070
he feels momentum and sees swirling dust

1579
01:14:27,839 --> 01:14:24,980
like particles surrounding his car as if

1580
01:14:30,370 --> 01:14:27,849
he's in a vortex he hears a high-pitched

1581
01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:30,380
pulsing whine and feels weightlessness

1582
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:33,409
as if he's detached from his body

1583
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:35,330
he's paralyzed

1584
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:37,600
this hat is full of random spinning

1585
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:40,730
analyzing thoughts he finds himself in a

1586
01:14:46,780 --> 01:14:43,090
new environment and sees a smooth dull

1587
01:14:48,670 --> 01:14:46,790
reflective domed ceiling overhead this

1588
01:14:50,980 --> 01:14:48,680
description is similar to Denise's

1589
01:14:54,130 --> 01:14:50,990
description of the examining room on the

1590
01:14:56,350 --> 01:14:54,140
craft he is now only sensing a feeling

1591
01:14:59,080 --> 01:14:56,360
of detachment and waiting for an

1592
01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:59,090
extended period of time he doesn't know

1593
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:00,880
where Denise and his daughter are

1594
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:03,530
finally he hears a frequency in a tenor

1595
01:15:08,830 --> 01:15:05,840
range and that reminds him of loud

1596
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:08,840
tinnitus there's a heavy pulsation and

1597
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:11,600
he'll feels frightened and cold his

1598
01:15:17,770 --> 01:15:14,570
weight returns he finds himself clinging

1599
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:17,780
to his steering wheel it is suddenly

1600
01:15:22,300 --> 01:15:20,570
dark outside and he is freezing his

1601
01:15:24,910 --> 01:15:22,310
headlights are on but he hasn't turned

1602
01:15:28,270 --> 01:15:24,920
them on he realizes that he is halfway

1603
01:15:31,900 --> 01:15:28,280
up Trout Creek Pass it is nearly 11 p.m.

1604
01:15:34,810 --> 01:15:31,910
and Denise is quote freaking out

1605
01:15:36,340 --> 01:15:34,820
close quote they stop forum unit 2

1606
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:36,350
minutes to gather their thought and

1607
01:15:42,940 --> 01:15:39,410
attempt to discern what has happened to

1608
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:42,950
them neither could explain it that's

1609
01:15:49,450 --> 01:15:45,760
from his statement and that is what he

1610
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:49,460
recovered under hypnosis and he asked me

1611
01:15:57,550 --> 01:15:52,730
specifically not to probe any deeper

1612
01:16:00,670 --> 01:15:57,560
then if he was abducted he did not want

1613
01:16:03,850 --> 01:16:00,680
to know what had occurred didn't want

1614
01:16:07,210 --> 01:16:03,860
the nasty details that is correct so

1615
01:16:10,990 --> 01:16:07,220
that it is is as far as I probed with

1616
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:11,000
IDI now has he had any further

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Ecker and you are tuned in to the para

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hear anywhere else hear that George

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snoring

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with Gene and Chris on the para cast we

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have Kathleen Hardin and Denise stoner

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01:21:18,830 --> 01:21:13,050
Denise so you had this further

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experience 1991 is it yes okay same sort

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of experience or what very similar

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except this time we're in Florida and

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this was early morning and we were

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actually going to go scuba diving in the

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caves in the Florida aquifer so we had

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gotten up and had breakfast and packed

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our gear and we were driving and the way

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you find your way around North Florida

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to look for these sinkholes we knew

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where we were going we'd been there many

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times and you just have to take a left

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at the farmers fence or the farmers barn

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or this field to that field and that's

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how you find them because a lot of the

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cave divers don't want for the safety of

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others to let on where these places are

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some of them have signs and some don't

1749
01:22:08,570 --> 01:22:06,810
but they're not readily noticeable for

1750
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:08,580
they're not great big National Park

1751
01:22:14,570 --> 01:22:10,890
signs and things like that so we were

1752
01:22:16,910 --> 01:22:14,580
headed out and I noticed the back of a

1753
01:22:20,210 --> 01:22:16,920
farmers barn in a small field and

1754
01:22:23,390 --> 01:22:20,220
pointed out these objects that were kind

1755
01:22:25,210 --> 01:22:23,400
of different from any crafts or UFOs or

1756
01:22:27,740 --> 01:22:25,220
anything like that that we'd seen before

1757
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:27,750
because we'd had a few sightings it was

1758
01:22:33,410 --> 01:22:30,330
broad daylight early morning Sun was

1759
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:33,420
bright and they were very oddly shaped

1760
01:22:38,690 --> 01:22:36,690
to me they were they were almost wanting

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01:22:41,420 --> 01:22:38,700
to be a diamond shape except they had a

1762
01:22:44,030 --> 01:22:41,430
flat base the ones I saw were kind of

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01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:44,040
covered or kind of covered with

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something but you could see through it

1765
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:48,870
and I pointed them out to him he looked

1766
01:22:55,130 --> 01:22:51,810
over but before we had an opportunity to

1767
01:22:56,480 --> 01:22:55,140
comment on them we found ourselves on

1768
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another road

1769
01:23:02,870 --> 01:22:59,370
we didn't know where we were and we had

1770
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to begin to figure out not being that

1771
01:23:09,380 --> 01:23:05,400
familiar with the area because we hadn't

1772
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lived there and we always went from the

1773
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exact same motel that we always stayed

1774
01:23:17,630 --> 01:23:14,700
in to point a B or C depending on which

1775
01:23:18,380 --> 01:23:17,640
sinkhole we wanted to dive in so where

1776
01:23:20,060 --> 01:23:18,390
were we

1777
01:23:22,820 --> 01:23:20,070
how did we get back to where we were

1778
01:23:25,940 --> 01:23:22,830
going there were no GPS systems back

1779
01:23:28,820 --> 01:23:25,950
then that were used in our cars and so

1780
01:23:31,190 --> 01:23:28,830
we were quite a distance from where we

1781
01:23:34,910 --> 01:23:31,200
wanted to be had to figure it all out

1782
01:23:38,450 --> 01:23:34,920
and go back and I had been abducted and

1783
01:23:41,690 --> 01:23:38,460
this time we knew we didn't want to talk

1784
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:41,700
about it we just said it happened again

1785
01:23:49,370 --> 01:23:46,170
didn't it we agreed that it had and when

1786
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:49,380
I discovered what I had seen that there

1787
01:23:54,500 --> 01:23:52,170
had been some procedure done IDI was

1788
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:54,510
willing to take a look Kathleen helped

1789
01:24:00,410 --> 01:23:57,050
him with it and he was able to see an

1790
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:00,420
entity a gray put me back in the truck

1791
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:02,610
except it didn't look like the majority

1792
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:05,040
of them there were some differences and

1793
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:07,170
Kathleen would have to explain that to

1794
01:24:13,730 --> 01:24:10,770
you yes I'd be happy to do that sure it

1795
01:24:16,910 --> 01:24:13,740
was interesting to me that that edy and

1796
01:24:18,980 --> 01:24:16,920
Denise found themselves 28 miles away

1797
01:24:24,020 --> 01:24:18,990
from the location that they had been

1798
01:24:26,990 --> 01:24:24,030
only a moment before and I went up to

1799
01:24:29,630 --> 01:24:27,000
this area to Brantford Florida I did an

1800
01:24:31,490 --> 01:24:29,640
investigation I drove around the first

1801
01:24:34,130 --> 01:24:31,500
thing that always came to my mind is

1802
01:24:36,700 --> 01:24:34,140
since this happened in the morning were

1803
01:24:39,410 --> 01:24:36,710
they tired did they take the wrong turn

1804
01:24:42,140 --> 01:24:39,420
accidentally I found out that they

1805
01:24:45,290 --> 01:24:42,150
couldn't possibly have Edie keeps very

1806
01:24:48,740 --> 01:24:45,300
very good notes he had a log of that

1807
01:24:51,290 --> 01:24:48,750
from that day from that dive he's very

1808
01:24:55,420 --> 01:24:51,300
very detailed so he could tell me that

1809
01:25:00,920 --> 01:24:55,430
it occurred on Sunday October 20th 1991

1810
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:00,930
that it was the 23rd dive that year in

1811
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:04,290
that location and he had even noted lost

1812
01:25:13,190 --> 01:25:09,600
time in his log from that day so

1813
01:25:16,460 --> 01:25:13,200
I did hypnotize him again and he said

1814
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:16,470
that suddenly everything became dark and

1815
01:25:21,770 --> 01:25:19,170
he sensed that he was in a vacuum it was

1816
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:21,780
completely quiet he found himself in an

1817
01:25:26,930 --> 01:25:24,570
unfamiliar location still in his truck

1818
01:25:29,690 --> 01:25:26,940
and thief Denis was no longer in the

1819
01:25:32,260 --> 01:25:29,700
passenger seat he shook his head and he

1820
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:32,270
seemed to bewildered stating that

1821
01:25:37,490 --> 01:25:35,280
something is not right that it was dark

1822
01:25:38,750 --> 01:25:37,500
and it shouldn't have been dark he began

1823
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:38,760
to hyperventilate

1824
01:25:42,500 --> 01:25:41,970
under hypnosis and said how could we get

1825
01:25:44,570 --> 01:25:42,510
there

1826
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:44,580
how could we get here this just isn't

1827
01:25:53,810 --> 01:25:50,210
right he then uttered a sound indicating

1828
01:25:57,020 --> 01:25:53,820
wonderment and surprise he said that he

1829
01:26:00,110 --> 01:25:57,030
saw the passenger door open and a tall

1830
01:26:03,740 --> 01:26:00,120
thin figure approximately six feet tall

1831
01:26:07,070 --> 01:26:03,750
with Denis and its long skinny arms it

1832
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:07,080
leaned down and literally dropped Denis

1833
01:26:13,220 --> 01:26:09,770
onto the seat the greenish gray

1834
01:26:15,620 --> 01:26:13,230
non-human entity looked up at Eddie the

1835
01:26:18,530 --> 01:26:15,630
eyes he said were actually paler than

1836
01:26:21,530 --> 01:26:18,540
the skin and the entire being had an

1837
01:26:24,260 --> 01:26:21,540
opaque appearance as if it was clothed

1838
01:26:27,710 --> 01:26:24,270
in a full-body suit there was no mouth

1839
01:26:30,890 --> 01:26:27,720
to speak of and no nose the head was not

1840
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:30,900
large or bulbous like a typical gray the

1841
01:26:36,440 --> 01:26:33,450
entity closed the door and Ed became

1842
01:26:39,220 --> 01:26:36,450
fully aware of the surroundings his arms

1843
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:39,230
were tingly and he was frightened and

1844
01:26:44,810 --> 01:26:42,090
hyperventilating he realized that it was

1845
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:44,820
late and found that he was no longer on

1846
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:47,130
the road that he'd been traveling on he

1847
01:26:53,090 --> 01:26:49,530
attempted to identify the location and

1848
01:26:56,540 --> 01:26:53,100
then he saw a sign indicating interstate

1849
01:26:59,000 --> 01:26:56,550
75 and lake city were ahead they were a

1850
01:27:01,700 --> 01:26:59,010
full twenty eight miles from their

1851
01:27:04,910 --> 01:27:01,710
previous location and it seemed as if

1852
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:04,920
only a moment had passed and edy

1853
01:27:10,700 --> 01:27:07,530
actually drew a sketch of the entity

1854
01:27:14,210 --> 01:27:10,710
that he recalled as he was putting Denis

1855
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,220
back into the vehicle and it is in our

1856
01:27:19,220 --> 01:27:16,320
book quite interesting that his

1857
01:27:22,250 --> 01:27:19,230
description was not the typical gray was

1858
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:22,260
not the typical insectoid that it was

1859
01:27:25,820 --> 01:27:23,520
different

1860
01:27:28,460 --> 01:27:25,830
but it was identical to Denise's

1861
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:28,470
description just a left-field question

1862
01:27:33,410 --> 01:27:31,650
Kathleen are you aware of the viewpoints

1863
01:27:35,870 --> 01:27:33,420
about abductions expressed by people

1864
01:27:38,690 --> 01:27:35,880
like Jerome Clarke I've read Gerry

1865
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:38,700
Clarke's work can you refresh my well

1866
01:27:43,610 --> 01:27:40,770
he's basically saying here that it is an

1867
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:43,620
experience or self experiences but he

1868
01:27:48,380 --> 01:27:45,930
doesn't relate them necessarily to the

1869
01:27:50,990 --> 01:27:48,390
UFO enigma if you get my point that

1870
01:27:52,940 --> 01:27:51,000
people are having unusual experiences

1871
01:27:54,730 --> 01:27:52,950
unusual encounter ism maybe they're not

1872
01:27:57,980 --> 01:27:54,740
quite what you think they are

1873
01:28:00,140 --> 01:27:57,990
okay I've discussed this many many times

1874
01:28:02,750 --> 01:28:00,150
and have considered this as well and

1875
01:28:06,890 --> 01:28:02,760
perhaps this is true in some cases but

1876
01:28:09,740 --> 01:28:06,900
it is certainly not the case in AD and

1877
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:09,750
Denis donor's report where they have

1878
01:28:17,170 --> 01:28:13,290
observed UFOs they have observed in both

1879
01:28:20,930 --> 01:28:17,180
cases both in Colorado and in Florida

1880
01:28:24,170 --> 01:28:20,940
observing and being up close to these

1881
01:28:27,050 --> 01:28:24,180
very strange objects and then having a

1882
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missing time event and Denis remembering

1883
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:29,400
procedures that were performed on this

1884
01:28:36,230 --> 01:28:33,170
craft this was physical in my

1885
01:28:40,130 --> 01:28:36,240
investigation I can only state that to

1886
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:40,140
the very best of my knowledge it appears

1887
01:28:46,460 --> 01:28:43,650
to have occurred it appears to have been

1888
01:28:48,590 --> 01:28:46,470
a real event and it wasn't something

1889
01:28:50,750 --> 01:28:48,600
that was an imaginary and it wasn't

1890
01:28:53,420 --> 01:28:50,760
something that was interdimensional

1891
01:28:55,970 --> 01:28:53,430
Denis certainly was not in bed when

1892
01:28:59,900 --> 01:28:55,980
either of these experiences occurred and

1893
01:29:02,060 --> 01:28:59,910
I find this over and over again just as

1894
01:29:04,430 --> 01:29:02,070
we found in the case of my aunt and

1895
01:29:06,290 --> 01:29:04,440
uncle Betty and Barney Hill okay you say

1896
01:29:08,570 --> 01:29:06,300
nine interdimensional how would you know

1897
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:08,580
how would you know where these beings

1898
01:29:13,540 --> 01:29:11,610
come from there in structured craft does

1899
01:29:15,170 --> 01:29:13,550
that mean that you can't travel

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inter-dimensionally with structured

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01:29:21,650 --> 01:29:18,990
craft then it is possible that they can

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do that by increasing their vibrational

1903
01:29:27,500 --> 01:29:24,180
level so that they can maintain they can

1904
01:29:29,230 --> 01:29:27,510
achieve invisibility and travel in that

1905
01:29:31,100 --> 01:29:29,240
way which you might say is

1906
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interdimensional why aren't you making

1907
01:29:35,929 --> 01:29:33,720
an assessment astral plane that these

1908
01:29:38,779 --> 01:29:35,939
individuals appear not to

1909
01:29:41,060 --> 01:29:38,789
coming from an astral plane they appear

1910
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:41,070
not to be coming into one's bedroom as

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01:29:45,949 --> 01:29:42,800
the result of an out-of-body experience

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01:29:48,290 --> 01:29:45,959
at night that this appears to be

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01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:48,300
physical when they're here they're in

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01:29:53,899 --> 01:29:50,729
physical form they're performing

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01:29:56,509 --> 01:29:53,909
experiments on people the craft is

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01:29:59,600 --> 01:29:56,519
physical it can be touched it can be

1917
01:30:02,209 --> 01:29:59,610
felt it has a solid structure the beings

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01:30:05,209 --> 01:30:02,219
have a solid structure and there are

1919
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:05,219
marks left on individual bodies the

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01:30:10,669 --> 01:30:08,489
implants have a solid structure I am NOT

1921
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:10,679
speaking of interdimensional as some

1922
01:30:15,259 --> 01:30:13,679
kind of astral plane but simply what

1923
01:30:17,299 --> 01:30:15,269
some might regard as a parallel universe

1924
01:30:19,399 --> 01:30:17,309
and scientists are talking more and more

1925
01:30:21,919 --> 01:30:19,409
about the possibility of there being

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multiple universes maybe you get the

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connection that we have denis stoner and

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kathleen martin the book is called the

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counterfeit and carding to a private

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bank having a led back at interest

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01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:29,349
forcing taxes to surface debt this

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capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

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stating a central bank issuing the

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01:34:35,430 --> 01:34:34,300
public currency is a greater menace to

2035
01:34:37,169 --> 01:34:35,440
the liberties of the people than a

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01:34:38,609 --> 01:34:37,179
standing army hi Ted Anderson I'm

2037
01:34:40,410 --> 01:34:38,619
placing a free silver dollar in a book

2038
01:34:43,949 --> 01:34:40,420
that explains our monetary system call

2039
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:43,959
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

2040
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:47,170
to understand the system call 866 to 237

2041
01:34:57,380 --> 01:34:50,570
that's 800 686 to 237

2042
01:34:59,570 --> 01:34:57,390
[Music]

2043
01:35:02,420 --> 01:34:59,580
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

2044
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:02,430
listening to the para cast

2045
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:11,490
so what I was alluding to Cathleen

2046
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:13,810
Martin co-author of the alien abduction

2047
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:15,850
files with Jean and Chris and the para

2048
01:35:22,530 --> 01:35:20,290
cast not of an astral plane or a higher

2049
01:35:27,090 --> 01:35:22,540
vibratory rate or any of that stuff

2050
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:27,100
I say interdimensional I mean well you

2051
01:35:32,430 --> 01:35:29,530
travel from one physical place to

2052
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:32,440
another but it's not through space but

2053
01:35:37,410 --> 01:35:35,050
maybe through time maybe to a parallel

2054
01:35:39,150 --> 01:35:37,420
universe okay so when you say it's not

2055
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:39,160
interdimensional maybe we have to define

2056
01:35:44,490 --> 01:35:42,130
our terms yes what I can say about that

2057
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:44,500
is I have spoken to some theoretical

2058
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:48,970
physicists about this and I I really am

2059
01:35:55,770 --> 01:35:51,970
not sure we have to keep our minds open

2060
01:35:58,670 --> 01:35:55,780
to this according to the the work that

2061
01:36:02,700 --> 01:35:58,680
was done on my Aunt Betty hills star map

2062
01:36:06,090 --> 01:36:02,710
it appears that these beings came from

2063
01:36:10,260 --> 01:36:06,100
perhaps Zeta Reticuli if that work is

2064
01:36:12,660 --> 01:36:10,270
accurate today so to say that it comes

2065
01:36:15,150 --> 01:36:12,670
from a parallel universe I can't say

2066
01:36:17,250 --> 01:36:15,160
that in that particular case because it

2067
01:36:20,460 --> 01:36:17,260
appears to come from someplace in our

2068
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:20,470
own galaxy I am familiar with the theory

2069
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:24,010
of parallel universe - and you know

2070
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:26,170
perhaps it's the possibility for some of

2071
01:36:33,780 --> 01:36:30,250
these entities you know I I'm sorry to

2072
01:36:35,700 --> 01:36:33,790
interrupt here but you know that's we're

2073
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:35,710
looking at these things and taking the

2074
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:38,650
information that sometimes is imparted

2075
01:36:43,410 --> 01:36:41,170
by these beings at face value my latest

2076
01:36:46,650 --> 01:36:43,420
book is called stalking the tricksters

2077
01:36:48,510 --> 01:36:46,660
and as we know there is a certain trick

2078
01:36:52,290 --> 01:36:48,520
Jewish element to a lot of these types

2079
01:36:55,290 --> 01:36:52,300
of events and oftentimes it's it's

2080
01:36:58,320 --> 01:36:55,300
difficult not to take some of the

2081
01:37:00,360 --> 01:36:58,330
assertions by these beings at at face

2082
01:37:02,940 --> 01:37:00,370
value how do we know they're not

2083
01:37:06,330 --> 01:37:02,950
tricking us in trying to to make it seem

2084
01:37:10,110 --> 01:37:06,340
like they're coming from some other star

2085
01:37:12,750 --> 01:37:10,120
system or what why do why do we trust

2086
01:37:14,700 --> 01:37:12,760
what they tell us in in other words they

2087
01:37:18,270 --> 01:37:14,710
you know there's there's just a certain

2088
01:37:21,209 --> 01:37:18,280
there's a certain amount of of wiggle

2089
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:21,219
room here at least in my

2090
01:37:27,630 --> 01:37:23,890
estimation I would have a hard time

2091
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:27,640
believing any of these beings at at

2092
01:37:32,580 --> 01:37:29,650
their word what do you think of that

2093
01:37:35,220 --> 01:37:32,590
well I think that if we can't believe

2094
01:37:37,170 --> 01:37:35,230
anything and we can't trust our own eyes

2095
01:37:40,290 --> 01:37:37,180
and we can't trust that anything that

2096
01:37:42,090 --> 01:37:40,300
anyone says is true and we can't trust

2097
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:42,100
hypnosis and we can't trust our own

2098
01:37:48,090 --> 01:37:45,520
research what can we trust and why even

2099
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:48,100
engage in any of this it makes no sense

2100
01:37:55,470 --> 01:37:52,800
to me should not trust our own

2101
01:37:57,900 --> 01:37:55,480
experiences in terms of whether they

2102
01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:57,910
were real or not obviously you know I'm

2103
01:38:01,890 --> 01:37:59,920
an experienced or I had a very up close

2104
01:38:04,170 --> 01:38:01,900
and personal encounter when I was seven

2105
01:38:06,420 --> 01:38:04,180
years old and I'm to this day I mean

2106
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:06,430
that event happened to me I was actually

2107
01:38:11,820 --> 01:38:09,730
followed around my neighborhood at 3 in

2108
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:11,830
the morning and and it changed my life

2109
01:38:16,770 --> 01:38:14,770
and it was a very real experience and I

2110
01:38:19,590 --> 01:38:16,780
don't care what anybody says I know it

2111
01:38:20,729 --> 01:38:19,600
was I even Nix devised an experiment in

2112
01:38:23,250 --> 01:38:20,739
the middle of it to try to ascertain

2113
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:23,260
what these beings were what I'm

2114
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:26,290
suggesting is oftentimes these things

2115
01:38:32,700 --> 01:38:29,250
cannot be taken I think at face value

2116
01:38:34,410 --> 01:38:32,710
you know you when they impart

2117
01:38:36,810 --> 01:38:34,420
information to us how do we know this

2118
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:36,820
isn't some sort of programming or some

2119
01:38:43,860 --> 01:38:41,410
sort of of agenda that this information

2120
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:43,870
let me give you an example and a

2121
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:46,810
complaint that many of the experiencers

2122
01:38:51,810 --> 01:38:49,840
who participated in our study made is

2123
01:38:55,979 --> 01:38:51,820
that the ETS

2124
01:39:01,290 --> 01:38:55,989
for example told them that they meant no

2125
01:39:04,770 --> 01:39:01,300
harm they said that they loved them that

2126
01:39:07,740 --> 01:39:04,780
they were part of their family and they

2127
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:07,750
and these many of these experiences felt

2128
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:10,960
that they might be lying to them in

2129
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:15,130
order to control their behavior so you

2130
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:17,050
know that's that's a possibility and

2131
01:39:20,580 --> 01:39:19,449
some people do trust their statements

2132
01:39:23,550 --> 01:39:20,590
and other people don't

2133
01:39:25,860 --> 01:39:23,560
I can't state definitively whether

2134
01:39:29,010 --> 01:39:25,870
they're lying or not it is all a matter

2135
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:29,020
of an individual's perception the other

2136
01:39:33,410 --> 01:39:31,170
that's true I mean we can only go on our

2137
01:39:34,790 --> 01:39:33,420
on our gut feelings about a lot of

2138
01:39:37,460 --> 01:39:34,800
things that happened to us in our lives

2139
01:39:40,610 --> 01:39:37,470
that that are inexplicable or difficult

2140
01:39:45,050 --> 01:39:40,620
to assimilate Denise when did you decide

2141
01:39:47,150 --> 01:39:45,060
to come forward with this this pattern

2142
01:39:49,460 --> 01:39:47,160
of events that has occurred to you in

2143
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:49,470
your life but what prompted you to come

2144
01:39:55,220 --> 01:39:51,690
forward and who did you first contact

2145
01:39:58,340 --> 01:39:55,230
well I I had tested it just a little bit

2146
01:40:00,560 --> 01:39:58,350
my support group meetings because

2147
01:40:03,410 --> 01:40:00,570
nothing had ever leaked at any of those

2148
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:03,420
meetings I've always asked for respect

2149
01:40:09,890 --> 01:40:05,730
when we told each other a little bit

2150
01:40:12,980 --> 01:40:09,900
about ourselves and everybody shared and

2151
01:40:14,930 --> 01:40:12,990
I had mentioned a little bit about some

2152
01:40:18,380 --> 01:40:14,940
of the things that had happened to me at

2153
01:40:21,710 --> 01:40:18,390
those types of meetings and when I spoke

2154
01:40:24,710 --> 01:40:21,720
a couple of times I did it in a little

2155
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:24,720
bit of not humorous but not quite so

2156
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:27,840
serious manner and people really didn't

2157
01:40:32,570 --> 01:40:30,000
grasp on to what I was saying they

2158
01:40:35,450 --> 01:40:32,580
didn't ask the right questions so I

2159
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:35,460
thought okay I'm dropping it I'm not

2160
01:40:39,470 --> 01:40:37,920
getting any reaction at all I don't know

2161
01:40:42,500 --> 01:40:39,480
what they're thinking so that's the end

2162
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:42,510
of it then when I retired from the

2163
01:40:48,050 --> 01:40:44,850
federal government after 20 plus years

2164
01:40:51,110 --> 01:40:48,060
and my husband had retired and my dad

2165
01:40:53,510 --> 01:40:51,120
was gone and most of my family had

2166
01:40:54,650 --> 01:40:53,520
passed on and my mom was fine with what

2167
01:40:57,110 --> 01:40:54,660
I wanted to do

2168
01:41:01,100 --> 01:40:57,120
I talked to Kathleen she talked to me

2169
01:41:03,740 --> 01:41:01,110
and we didn't decide just based on one

2170
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:03,750
talk and the publisher was asking that

2171
01:41:07,970 --> 01:41:05,730
someone come out in order to publish

2172
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:07,980
this book we needed to use a real name

2173
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:10,410
so we went back and forth and talked

2174
01:41:16,820 --> 01:41:12,330
about all the ramifications of doing

2175
01:41:18,590 --> 01:41:16,830
this and finally decided okay I'm just

2176
01:41:19,100 --> 01:41:18,600
going to go for it whatever happens

2177
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:19,110
happens

2178
01:41:23,770 --> 01:41:21,360
what's the big deal I don't have to

2179
01:41:27,650 --> 01:41:23,780
worry about a job and and all these

2180
01:41:29,390 --> 01:41:27,660
variety of things yeah so we did it so

2181
01:41:32,030 --> 01:41:29,400
what what time frame was this when when

2182
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:32,040
did you actually come be with this

2183
01:41:36,710 --> 01:41:34,250
information when we put the book out

2184
01:41:41,480 --> 01:41:36,720
okay so this this is recently then we're

2185
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:41,490
talking yes yes so you've just been

2186
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:43,170
living with it all these years and now

2187
01:41:46,250 --> 01:41:44,610
you made the decision

2188
01:41:48,290 --> 01:41:46,260
now that you've done it you've gone and

2189
01:41:48,709 --> 01:41:48,300
done it that your friends know about

2190
01:41:51,709 --> 01:41:48,719
this

2191
01:41:54,050 --> 01:41:51,719
up till now or what some did some did

2192
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:54,060
not I have a couple of people that have

2193
01:42:01,310 --> 01:41:57,119
no idea and they have ordered the book

2194
01:42:03,290 --> 01:42:01,320
so they are now finding out so you're

2195
01:42:04,750 --> 01:42:03,300
someone they never expected to me what

2196
01:42:08,300 --> 01:42:04,760
about your daughter

2197
01:42:12,250 --> 01:42:08,310
she's fine with everything she's just a

2198
01:42:15,890 --> 01:42:12,260
really easygoing type person and I

2199
01:42:18,770 --> 01:42:15,900
because she is mildly handicapped she's

2200
01:42:21,500 --> 01:42:18,780
worked for 20-plus years with a variety

2201
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:21,510
of people and none of her friends are

2202
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:23,730
going to question her about any of this

2203
01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:26,489
I just know that and she would take it

2204
01:42:33,020 --> 01:42:29,489
so easy and off-the-cuff type thing that

2205
01:42:34,970 --> 01:42:33,030
I'm not worried about her at all any

2206
01:42:37,300 --> 01:42:34,980
other members of your family who just

2207
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:37,310
learned about it or were they part of it

2208
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:40,770
they were not a part of it I have I'm

2209
01:42:43,879 --> 01:42:43,199
the oldest of 13 cousins there are 12 of

2210
01:42:48,500 --> 01:42:43,889
us left

2211
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:48,510
and my aunts and uncles are all gone

2212
01:42:53,090 --> 01:42:50,880
with the exception of one uncle he's

2213
01:42:57,140 --> 01:42:53,100
quite elderly he was a scout for the

2214
01:42:59,330 --> 01:42:57,150
Dodgers baseball team I do not know if

2215
01:43:02,300 --> 01:42:59,340
he'll read this or not and if he does

2216
01:43:05,899 --> 01:43:02,310
he'll probably just kind of chuckle and

2217
01:43:09,430 --> 01:43:05,909
say okay if that's what you say that's

2218
01:43:12,890 --> 01:43:09,440
the way he is as far as the media

2219
01:43:16,220 --> 01:43:12,900
newspapers TV radio stations you're

2220
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:16,230
getting a lot of response nothing that I

2221
01:43:24,109 --> 01:43:19,440
can see I it's very quiet which is a

2222
01:43:26,689 --> 01:43:24,119
little bit mysterious so we're waiting

2223
01:43:29,060 --> 01:43:26,699
for the next I don't know if you want to

2224
01:43:31,580 --> 01:43:29,070
call it bomb to drop or comments or

2225
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:31,590
whatever we've had nothing negative not

2226
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:35,449
so far so you're either waiting for the

2227
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:40,080
ax to fall or or just a calm response

2228
01:43:44,930 --> 01:43:42,690
that people will take it in stride yeah

2229
01:43:48,350 --> 01:43:44,940
I'd like for people to take it and ask

2230
01:43:51,020 --> 01:43:48,360
questions if you have to know something

2231
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:51,030
you want to know something you question

2232
01:43:57,169 --> 01:43:54,449
something ask the source ask Kathleen

2233
01:43:57,919 --> 01:43:57,179
ask myself find out what we had gone

2234
01:44:00,020 --> 01:43:57,929
through

2235
01:44:02,330 --> 01:44:00,030
because there are so many little aspects

2236
01:44:04,130 --> 01:44:02,340
of this thing that could not be put in

2237
01:44:06,470 --> 01:44:04,140
the book and so many of the other

2238
01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:06,480
portions of the book the same thing for

2239
01:44:10,610 --> 01:44:08,489
instance you can have flashbacks about

2240
01:44:13,790 --> 01:44:10,620
things that have happened to you

2241
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:13,800
I have trouble in an MRI machine because

2242
01:44:19,430 --> 01:44:15,840
the sound reminds me of something about

2243
01:44:21,860 --> 01:44:19,440
the craft I went into an MRI machine and

2244
01:44:23,899 --> 01:44:21,870
the two Tech's standing at the end of it

2245
01:44:27,140 --> 01:44:23,909
immediately morphed into these

2246
01:44:29,209 --> 01:44:27,150
characters these ETS and et and an

2247
01:44:32,180 --> 01:44:29,219
insectoid we're now standing at the base

2248
01:44:35,689 --> 01:44:32,190
of this MRI machine and it just

2249
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:35,699
absolutely drove me bananas I never let

2250
01:44:41,540 --> 01:44:37,890
on what I was seeing and hearing but I

2251
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:41,550
thought I was in the craft briefly it's

2252
01:44:46,130 --> 01:44:44,010
like having a flashback yes and I

2253
01:44:48,620 --> 01:44:46,140
realized that's what was happening to my

2254
01:44:51,410 --> 01:44:48,630
mind that it was another recall

2255
01:44:53,689 --> 01:44:51,420
situation is that been happening every

2256
01:44:55,340 --> 01:44:53,699
so often that suddenly you flash back to

2257
01:44:57,439 --> 01:44:55,350
something that seemed to have happened

2258
01:45:01,130 --> 01:44:57,449
during one of those abductions that was

2259
01:45:02,750 --> 01:45:01,140
the most vivid and I realized also it

2260
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:02,760
had something to do with that sound

2261
01:45:09,020 --> 01:45:06,960
being so so real and perhaps because I

2262
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:09,030
was shown the core of one of the crafts

2263
01:45:15,260 --> 01:45:11,370
and had a physical reaction to it that

2264
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:15,270
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with gene and Chris in the power castes

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we have kathleen barton and denise

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files the most startling cases of human

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alien contact ever reported now as we

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normally do in the para caste and we

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opportunity to pose their questions at

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forum dot the power cast calm form

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doctor para cast common a place called

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the question bank we got lots of

2339
01:48:32,510 --> 01:48:30,510
questions some of which we've dealt with

2340
01:48:34,790 --> 01:48:32,520
already but chris you want to start

2341
01:48:36,260 --> 01:48:34,800
reading the rest i want to get this one

2342
01:48:38,780 --> 01:48:36,270
out of the way this comes from our

2343
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:38,790
friendly skeptic angelo I think both

2344
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:41,370
Denis and Kathleen all agree that this

2345
01:48:47,300 --> 01:48:44,610
is an example of skeptical inquiries

2346
01:48:49,790 --> 01:48:47,310
into this subject being a little bit ill

2347
01:48:51,380 --> 01:48:49,800
informed questions he says what's the

2348
01:48:54,260 --> 01:48:51,390
evidence showing that these abductions

2349
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:54,270
are not psychological in nature I've had

2350
01:48:58,130 --> 01:48:55,770
plenty of night terrors and sleep

2351
01:49:00,290 --> 01:48:58,140
paralysis episodes but because I am

2352
01:49:02,420 --> 01:49:00,300
aware of that I know it isn't an alien

2353
01:49:04,940 --> 01:49:02,430
abduction what's to say that if these

2354
01:49:06,170 --> 01:49:04,950
abductees were educated on sleep issues

2355
01:49:09,170 --> 01:49:06,180
they would not be thinking they were

2356
01:49:11,140 --> 01:49:09,180
being abducted by aliens now obviously

2357
01:49:13,700 --> 01:49:11,150
with these missing time cases that

2358
01:49:15,890 --> 01:49:13,710
fascinating that Denise and her husband

2359
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:15,900
shared that Denise has had they were

2360
01:49:22,130 --> 01:49:18,690
driving there was no sleep paralysis

2361
01:49:25,250 --> 01:49:22,140
going on during these cases in fact the

2362
01:49:27,740 --> 01:49:25,260
one case that you described in the 80s

2363
01:49:29,930 --> 01:49:27,750
happened in a very hot spot area where

2364
01:49:31,910 --> 01:49:29,940
there have been numerous reports over

2365
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:31,920
the years of unusual events and

2366
01:49:38,510 --> 01:49:34,530
sightings even these types of

2367
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:38,520
visitations so I want to kind of look at

2368
01:49:44,810 --> 01:49:42,090
Angelo's question as more of a question

2369
01:49:47,300 --> 01:49:44,820
about how you deal with people that are

2370
01:49:49,450 --> 01:49:47,310
absolutely disbelievers they say that

2371
01:49:53,180 --> 01:49:49,460
this is all this all can be explained

2372
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:53,190
that this is all just mundane things

2373
01:49:56,690 --> 01:49:54,570
that are happening that people are

2374
01:49:58,580 --> 01:49:56,700
misinterpreting what what did you come

2375
01:50:01,160 --> 01:49:58,590
back to someone like that well briefly

2376
01:50:03,110 --> 01:50:01,170
before Kathleen makes her statement I

2377
01:50:06,260 --> 01:50:03,120
had nothing to do with sleep of course

2378
01:50:08,780 --> 01:50:06,270
daylight hours Sun was shining across

2379
01:50:09,170 --> 01:50:08,790
the valley I knew nothing at that time

2380
01:50:11,300 --> 01:50:09,180
of

2381
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:11,310
any other episodes in that valley or

2382
01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:14,130
crafts being cited I wasn't paying any

2383
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:16,170
attention to it at the time I was going

2384
01:50:23,180 --> 01:50:20,250
to meet parents and friends and so we

2385
01:50:26,150 --> 01:50:23,190
had other witnesses those are some big

2386
01:50:29,420 --> 01:50:26,160
things as far as evidence and then

2387
01:50:31,310 --> 01:50:29,430
having flashes of faces and things that

2388
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:31,320
I knew were in my mind and I needed to

2389
01:50:35,330 --> 01:50:33,810
put all the pieces together my husband

2390
01:50:37,940 --> 01:50:35,340
being there with me that's something

2391
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:37,950
else people want to stick to the sleep

2392
01:50:42,230 --> 01:50:39,930
thing the sleep paralysis and this and

2393
01:50:45,890 --> 01:50:42,240
that and they just will not budge off

2394
01:50:48,440 --> 01:50:45,900
that topic Kathleen yes I would like to

2395
01:50:51,290 --> 01:50:48,450
say that the first thing I do when

2396
01:50:53,480 --> 01:50:51,300
anyone makes a report to me especially

2397
01:50:55,940 --> 01:50:53,490
if they were in bed when this occurred

2398
01:50:59,240 --> 01:50:55,950
is to have them go to my website at

2399
01:51:02,030 --> 01:50:59,250
Kathleen - Mardon calm and read the

2400
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:02,040
article that I have there on sleep

2401
01:51:06,650 --> 01:51:04,170
paralysis to assess whether or not this

2402
01:51:08,900 --> 01:51:06,660
could possibly be an explanation for

2403
01:51:11,270 --> 01:51:08,910
what has occurred to them but as I

2404
01:51:13,700 --> 01:51:11,280
stated earlier 88% of those who

2405
01:51:16,490 --> 01:51:13,710
participated in their study stated that

2406
01:51:18,770 --> 01:51:16,500
they had conscious recall of having this

2407
01:51:21,710 --> 01:51:18,780
event and then the next thing that might

2408
01:51:22,820 --> 01:51:21,720
occur would be a skeptic might say well

2409
01:51:25,550 --> 01:51:22,830
are these people

2410
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:25,560
fantasy prone but I would refer people

2411
01:51:31,430 --> 01:51:27,810
to the psychological studies that have

2412
01:51:33,890 --> 01:51:31,440
been done on abduction experiencers that

2413
01:51:36,980 --> 01:51:33,900
have indicated that those who meet the

2414
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:36,990
criteria for having experienced a real

2415
01:51:42,830 --> 01:51:40,290
abduction are no more fantasy prone than

2416
01:51:44,810 --> 01:51:42,840
the general population these people are

2417
01:51:47,150 --> 01:51:44,820
just normal people they don't have a

2418
01:51:48,500 --> 01:51:47,160
psychological disorder they don't have a

2419
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:48,510
sleep disorder

2420
01:51:53,180 --> 01:51:50,730
they're often awake when this happens

2421
01:51:55,610 --> 01:51:53,190
people should just stop hiding their

2422
01:51:59,120 --> 01:51:55,620
heads in the sand and and open their

2423
01:52:01,640 --> 01:51:59,130
eyes and absorb the information that has

2424
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:01,650
come from all of these studies very good

2425
01:52:05,990 --> 01:52:04,530
points that both you were making another

2426
01:52:08,210 --> 01:52:06,000
couple of questions that are crying

2427
01:52:10,610 --> 01:52:08,220
along along those same lines I'm gonna

2428
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:10,620
ask them both together the first one is

2429
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:13,170
from the JC band who's been is one of

2430
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:15,450
our newest additions to the form family

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at Forum dr. Peric ascom the other is

2432
01:52:22,580 --> 01:52:21,720
from another fairly recent addition to

2433
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:22,590
our form

2434
01:52:28,490 --> 01:52:26,130
Tom 1961 to echo angels question a

2435
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:28,500
little bit what fraction of cases do you

2436
01:52:32,810 --> 01:52:30,090
believe actually are sleep paralysis

2437
01:52:35,089 --> 01:52:32,820
episodes and is there any easy way to

2438
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:35,099
differentiate between those cases and

2439
01:52:40,010 --> 01:52:37,650
the ones that may be genuine and the

2440
01:52:41,780 --> 01:52:40,020
follow-up question from Tom is I would

2441
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:41,790
like to ask if they believe everyone

2442
01:52:46,220 --> 01:52:44,130
they interview don't you ever think some

2443
01:52:47,959 --> 01:52:46,230
people are just making this all up so I

2444
01:52:50,379 --> 01:52:47,969
have to say that decent Denise and I

2445
01:52:53,660 --> 01:52:50,389
have both had training this is FBI

2446
01:52:55,700 --> 01:52:53,670
lie-detector training so that we can if

2447
01:52:57,649 --> 01:52:55,710
we're face to face with an individual

2448
01:53:01,490 --> 01:52:57,659
determine whether or not they're lying

2449
01:53:03,770 --> 01:53:01,500
they're hoaxing they're making it up you

2450
01:53:06,379 --> 01:53:03,780
know so certainly that is the reason

2451
01:53:09,500 --> 01:53:06,389
that I take several years for any

2452
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:09,510
investigation that I do that I will

2453
01:53:15,859 --> 01:53:12,449
accept I'm looking for evidence that

2454
01:53:18,919 --> 01:53:15,869
this is real and certainly you know

2455
01:53:22,609 --> 01:53:18,929
maybe a percentage is experiencing sleep

2456
01:53:25,010 --> 01:53:22,619
paralysis but people need to explore

2457
01:53:27,370 --> 01:53:25,020
this on their own they need to take part

2458
01:53:30,379 --> 01:53:27,380
in their own investigation of their

2459
01:53:32,959 --> 01:53:30,389
experiences who else can do it better

2460
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:32,969
than those who are experiencing it as

2461
01:53:38,540 --> 01:53:36,239
long as they have the tools in which to

2462
01:53:40,970 --> 01:53:38,550
do it okay someone has an experience

2463
01:53:43,970 --> 01:53:40,980
that may or may not be abduction related

2464
01:53:46,850 --> 01:53:43,980
what do they do what steps they take

2465
01:53:49,609 --> 01:53:46,860
whom do they contact it really depends

2466
01:53:52,790 --> 01:53:49,619
upon what they want from this do they

2467
01:53:55,609 --> 01:53:52,800
want an investigation they want a group

2468
01:53:57,979 --> 01:53:55,619
of investigators to come out and try to

2469
01:54:00,859 --> 01:53:57,989
collect evidence and interview them and

2470
01:54:03,140 --> 01:54:00,869
then write a report and take the

2471
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:03,150
evidence for analysis and then just

2472
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:05,610
leave them or are they looking for a

2473
01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:08,610
support group do they want to explore

2474
01:54:14,030 --> 01:54:11,730
this on their own and study this on

2475
01:54:16,700 --> 01:54:14,040
their own if they want to do that then

2476
01:54:20,390 --> 01:54:16,710
they should go to someone like Denise

2477
01:54:23,060 --> 01:54:20,400
who has a support group or two starborn

2478
01:54:24,890 --> 01:54:23,070
support or any of another of other

2479
01:54:27,620 --> 01:54:24,900
support groups that are around the

2480
01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:27,630
country so you know maybe a lot of

2481
01:54:34,070 --> 01:54:30,210
people don't want a formal investigation

2482
01:54:35,609 --> 01:54:34,080
and I would recommend going one way or

2483
01:54:38,250 --> 01:54:35,619
the other or

2484
01:54:38,609 --> 01:54:38,260
combination of both what about you

2485
01:54:41,759 --> 01:54:38,619
Denise

2486
01:54:45,060 --> 01:54:41,769
I completely agree with Kathleen and and

2487
01:54:49,290 --> 01:54:45,070
borrowing nothing else you can contact

2488
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:49,300
me I have markers that I go by telling

2489
01:54:55,859 --> 01:54:51,610
me whether or not this person has

2490
01:54:58,770 --> 01:54:55,869
possibly had an abduction if they want

2491
01:55:01,679 --> 01:54:58,780
to ask certain questions I can help them

2492
01:55:03,719 --> 01:55:01,689
little through this I will ask them to

2493
01:55:06,239 --> 01:55:03,729
keep a journal I will ask them to keep a

2494
01:55:08,850 --> 01:55:06,249
camera by their bed I will ask them to

2495
01:55:10,770 --> 01:55:08,860
do all sorts of homework because I can't

2496
01:55:13,109 --> 01:55:10,780
do it for them they're going to have to

2497
01:55:15,449 --> 01:55:13,119
help me and we will come out at the

2498
01:55:17,790 --> 01:55:15,459
other end with some sort of answer as to

2499
01:55:21,209 --> 01:55:17,800
whether or not they might be an abductee

2500
01:55:23,969 --> 01:55:21,219
so that's as a last resort they should

2501
01:55:26,459 --> 01:55:23,979
contact me and I will help them with

2502
01:55:28,739 --> 01:55:26,469
this with lots of homework on their part

2503
01:55:30,179 --> 01:55:28,749
I want to say that most people are not

2504
01:55:32,429 --> 01:55:30,189
looking for publicity

2505
01:55:34,699 --> 01:55:32,439
they want to have their identities

2506
01:55:37,589 --> 01:55:34,709
protected yes they're just curious

2507
01:55:41,069 --> 01:55:37,599
they're trying to obtain this kind of

2508
01:55:43,969 --> 01:55:41,079
information for their own sense of

2509
01:55:46,979 --> 01:55:43,979
well-being and to meet their own

2510
01:55:50,129 --> 01:55:46,989
curiosity and they're also looking for

2511
01:55:52,649 --> 01:55:50,139
support oftentimes and the only place

2512
01:55:54,839 --> 01:55:52,659
where they can find that kind of support

2513
01:55:57,659 --> 01:55:54,849
is from other people that are having the

2514
01:56:00,449 --> 01:55:57,669
same kind of experience and it's very

2515
01:56:03,629 --> 01:56:00,459
very important for people to be able to

2516
01:56:06,179 --> 01:56:03,639
feel emotionally healthy and to have

2517
01:56:08,549 --> 01:56:06,189
support from others I think part of the

2518
01:56:11,009 --> 01:56:08,559
problem is Kathleen and Denise is that

2519
01:56:14,069 --> 01:56:11,019
there are some elements of UFO research

2520
01:56:17,219 --> 01:56:14,079
we will mention names that are less than

2521
01:56:19,589 --> 01:56:17,229
credible less than responsible and less

2522
01:56:21,839 --> 01:56:19,599
than capable of analyzing which is

2523
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:21,849
something that's so complex as

2524
01:56:28,350 --> 01:56:25,570
abductions so any one to avoid or any

2525
01:56:30,569 --> 01:56:28,360
types of categories of people to avoid

2526
01:56:32,759 --> 01:56:30,579
so they don't get mixed up with the

2527
01:56:36,419 --> 01:56:32,769
wrong people and get stuck in something

2528
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:36,429
that may help enrich somebody else you

2529
01:56:40,830 --> 01:56:38,530
are bragging rights but won't

2530
01:56:44,189 --> 01:56:40,840
necessarily help you I think one thing

2531
01:56:46,259 --> 01:56:44,199
they can do is if they find someone they

2532
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:46,269
think they would like to work with is

2533
01:56:49,589 --> 01:56:47,530
ask

2534
01:56:52,350 --> 01:56:49,599
how much experience they've had working

2535
01:56:53,910 --> 01:56:52,360
strictly with abductees ask the proper

2536
01:56:55,169 --> 01:56:53,920
questions just like you would if you

2537
01:56:57,870 --> 01:56:55,179
were searching for a new physician

2538
01:57:00,899 --> 01:56:57,880
that's number one thing and then you

2539
01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:00,909
could ask either one of us or you could

2540
01:57:07,260 --> 01:57:04,480
you could report through MUFON mutual

2541
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:07,270
UFO network and there are all different

2542
01:57:12,629 --> 01:57:09,610
ways to go about this if you need to

2543
01:57:15,629 --> 01:57:12,639
carry it further you can ask if there

2544
01:57:17,459 --> 01:57:15,639
are any recommendations for people that

2545
01:57:19,709 --> 01:57:17,469
you can go and see where are the support

2546
01:57:22,350 --> 01:57:19,719
groups who would recommend them and why

2547
01:57:24,209 --> 01:57:22,360
who's been to them and and just take it

2548
01:57:25,979 --> 01:57:24,219
slowly and go from there

2549
01:57:27,899 --> 01:57:25,989
all right we have Kathleen Martin and

2550
01:57:36,290 --> 01:57:27,909
Denise stoner you're with Jean and Kris

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so the question is of course choosing

2646
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someone to contact in case you think

2647
02:02:09,500 --> 02:02:07,200
that you might have had an abduction or

2648
02:02:11,330 --> 02:02:09,510
someone you know and we have kathleen

2649
02:02:13,490 --> 02:02:11,340
martin and denise toner with us

2650
02:02:16,100 --> 02:02:13,500
kathleen you had a comment about that oh

2651
02:02:19,250 --> 02:02:16,110
I agree with Denise's statements I think

2652
02:02:22,220 --> 02:02:19,260
that she's given very good advice I also

2653
02:02:25,010 --> 02:02:22,230
want to state that as part of my work

2654
02:02:28,100 --> 02:02:25,020
with the mutual UFO network I'm their

2655
02:02:31,910 --> 02:02:28,110
director of abduction research we are

2656
02:02:35,420 --> 02:02:31,920
just now forming a vetting process for

2657
02:02:38,840 --> 02:02:35,430
individuals who have support groups and

2658
02:02:43,490 --> 02:02:38,850
they can come to us if they would like

2659
02:02:47,300 --> 02:02:43,500
referral and they we would have to vet

2660
02:02:50,840 --> 02:02:47,310
their credentials and what how they work

2661
02:02:53,420 --> 02:02:50,850
with experiencers and if the team from

2662
02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:53,430
MUFON decides that this is something

2663
02:02:58,900 --> 02:02:55,770
that we would consider to be healthy and

2664
02:03:01,670 --> 02:02:58,910
professional then we could refer

2665
02:03:05,240 --> 02:03:01,680
individuals to them but for the most

2666
02:03:07,250 --> 02:03:05,250
part at the present time you should do

2667
02:03:09,950 --> 02:03:07,260
what Denise said and think of this

2668
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:09,960
individual or this group in the same way

2669
02:03:14,210 --> 02:03:12,090
that you would vet the credentials of

2670
02:03:17,390 --> 02:03:14,220
your physician for example how

2671
02:03:19,130 --> 02:03:17,400
widespread are UFO abductions we've had

2672
02:03:20,510 --> 02:03:19,140
some people claim maybe millions of

2673
02:03:23,270 --> 02:03:20,520
people around the world have been

2674
02:03:26,360 --> 02:03:23,280
abducted Kathleen well certainly those

2675
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:26,370
claims have been made I was startled to

2676
02:03:34,550 --> 02:03:29,850
find that after Denise and I had very

2677
02:03:36,440 --> 02:03:34,560
widely advertised our study across the

2678
02:03:39,890 --> 02:03:36,450
United States and as far away as

2679
02:03:43,640 --> 02:03:39,900
Australia in magazine articles on radio

2680
02:03:47,710 --> 02:03:43,650
shows and at conferences on internet

2681
02:03:52,730 --> 02:03:47,720
sites that it took us an entire year to

2682
02:03:55,820 --> 02:03:52,740
receive 50 responses so perhaps is not

2683
02:03:59,000 --> 02:03:55,830
as widespread as we might think that's

2684
02:04:02,090 --> 02:03:59,010
true and I am working on along with

2685
02:04:05,540 --> 02:04:02,100
Kathleen a brand new study and we are

2686
02:04:09,290 --> 02:04:05,550
hoping to find that we are going to have

2687
02:04:11,039 --> 02:04:09,300
way way more in the way of responses to

2688
02:04:13,500 --> 02:04:11,049
this next one and perhaps

2689
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have different results this next time

2690
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yeah and I have a little something to

2691
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add on that out of 13 years of actively

2692
02:04:25,169 --> 02:04:21,999
investigating one of the hottest UFO hot

2693
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:25,179
spots in the country and just south of

2694
02:04:29,549 --> 02:04:27,010
where Denise your experience was in the

2695
02:04:32,009 --> 02:04:29,559
San Luis Valley out of the thousands of

2696
02:04:34,619 --> 02:04:32,019
interviews that I did hundreds and

2697
02:04:37,889 --> 02:04:34,629
hundreds of reports I only had four

2698
02:04:39,659 --> 02:04:37,899
claims of abductions and the two that I

2699
02:04:41,639 --> 02:04:39,669
felt were legitimate two of them I

2700
02:04:44,189 --> 02:04:41,649
didn't feel were legitimate I felt there

2701
02:04:48,809 --> 02:04:44,199
was some personal issues going on there

2702
02:04:51,659 --> 02:04:48,819
with possible sanity questions but the

2703
02:04:53,849 --> 02:04:51,669
other two that I felt were legitimate

2704
02:04:56,339 --> 02:04:53,859
and I did quite a bit of follow-up work

2705
02:04:58,469 --> 02:04:56,349
with these two individuals I found out

2706
02:05:00,000 --> 02:04:58,479
about them from family members who said

2707
02:05:02,159 --> 02:05:00,010
that you should talk to them because

2708
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they really could use somebody to talk

2709
02:05:09,809 --> 02:05:02,469
to

2710
02:05:10,979 --> 02:05:09,819
referrals was actually from the

2711
02:05:13,169 --> 02:05:10,989
Sheriff's Department

2712
02:05:16,399 --> 02:05:13,179
because of activity that have been seen

2713
02:05:19,259 --> 02:05:16,409
around the ranch and confidential

2714
02:05:21,089 --> 02:05:19,269
statements made to the dispatcher of the

2715
02:05:24,119 --> 02:05:21,099
County Sheriff's Department they were

2716
02:05:26,839 --> 02:05:24,129
friends so I agree I don't think that

2717
02:05:30,119 --> 02:05:26,849
these are as pervasive as someone like a

2718
02:05:31,889 --> 02:05:30,129
Budd Hopkins or a David Jacobs who have

2719
02:05:33,569 --> 02:05:31,899
made fairly outrageous claims in this

2720
02:05:37,259 --> 02:05:33,579
regard in the past I don't think they're

2721
02:05:39,059 --> 02:05:37,269
as prevalent as as that and I think

2722
02:05:41,399 --> 02:05:39,069
they're the exception not the norm by

2723
02:05:44,309 --> 02:05:41,409
any stretch Chris why do you think

2724
02:05:46,229 --> 02:05:44,319
people like the late bug Hopkins or dr.

2725
02:05:48,839 --> 02:05:46,239
David Jacobs made the claims that so

2726
02:05:51,149 --> 02:05:48,849
many people are involved well I don't

2727
02:05:53,250 --> 02:05:51,159
really know the only thing that I can

2728
02:05:56,159 --> 02:05:53,260
say is once it once you gained a

2729
02:05:58,469 --> 02:05:56,169
reputation in the field for this type of

2730
02:06:01,289 --> 02:05:58,479
work you're like a magnet you tend to

2731
02:06:03,479 --> 02:06:01,299
attract cases to you which I think might

2732
02:06:05,189 --> 02:06:03,489
skew your reality view number one

2733
02:06:07,949 --> 02:06:05,199
another thing that I find very

2734
02:06:10,439 --> 02:06:07,959
interesting is specific abduction

2735
02:06:11,959 --> 02:06:10,449
researchers once they reach a place

2736
02:06:16,139 --> 02:06:11,969
where they feel that they've identified

2737
02:06:19,409 --> 02:06:16,149
alien agendas methodologies they then

2738
02:06:21,839 --> 02:06:19,419
begin to attract those types of cases to

2739
02:06:24,879 --> 02:06:21,849
them people know that they believe in

2740
02:06:27,850 --> 02:06:24,889
this particular negative let's say

2741
02:06:30,939 --> 02:06:27,860
abduction scenario or in the case of a

2742
02:06:33,729 --> 02:06:30,949
Leo sprinkle or others positive

2743
02:06:36,429 --> 02:06:33,739
abduction experiences Barbara lamb then

2744
02:06:38,439 --> 02:06:36,439
those people those investigators and

2745
02:06:40,719 --> 02:06:38,449
researchers tend to attract the kind of

2746
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:40,729
cases that that seem to dovetail with

2747
02:06:45,699 --> 02:06:43,610
their particular conclusions so I think

2748
02:06:48,339 --> 02:06:45,709
it's just a matter of once you get so

2749
02:06:49,870 --> 02:06:48,349
immersed in this yeah and people are

2750
02:06:51,310 --> 02:06:49,880
coming to you it does have the

2751
02:06:53,319 --> 02:06:51,320
appearance that there's a lot more

2752
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:53,329
activity going on than perhaps there is

2753
02:06:57,399 --> 02:06:55,010
you know and I think a lot of it is

2754
02:07:00,669 --> 02:06:57,409
based on what these beans are telling

2755
02:07:03,100 --> 02:07:00,679
people as well allegedly I think a lot

2756
02:07:05,259 --> 02:07:03,110
of this is kind of based on the types of

2757
02:07:08,229 --> 02:07:05,269
impressions that people are giving these

2758
02:07:10,750 --> 02:07:08,239
investigators before we go back to more

2759
02:07:13,120 --> 02:07:10,760
questions Kathleen or Denise either if

2760
02:07:16,810 --> 02:07:13,130
you want to make a response I agree with

2761
02:07:20,139 --> 02:07:16,820
Chris that's my assessment yes I do too

2762
02:07:23,379 --> 02:07:20,149
because I know how many I have ongoing

2763
02:07:26,709 --> 02:07:23,389
at the moment and it's not that many

2764
02:07:29,080 --> 02:07:26,719
serious cases Chris let's move on with

2765
02:07:31,509 --> 02:07:29,090
the questions please okay well we do

2766
02:07:33,819 --> 02:07:31,519
have a couple of questions about Betty

2767
02:07:36,069 --> 02:07:33,829
and Barney which I'll get to in a moment

2768
02:07:39,429 --> 02:07:36,079
but first here's a question from poll to

2769
02:07:41,979 --> 02:07:39,439
worst who's been a poster at forum dr.

2770
02:07:44,379 --> 02:07:41,989
Peric ascom for almost three years

2771
02:07:47,169 --> 02:07:44,389
do all abductees identify their

2772
02:07:49,060 --> 02:07:47,179
abductors is being extraterrestrial have

2773
02:07:51,330 --> 02:07:49,070
there been any cases where the abductees

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02:07:53,589 --> 02:07:51,340
said they saw something nonhumanoid

2775
02:07:55,600 --> 02:07:53,599
something that didn't have a head on top

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02:07:58,719 --> 02:07:55,610
of a torso to arms and legs that were

2777
02:08:01,419 --> 02:07:58,729
discernible as such and if not why do

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02:08:03,790 --> 02:08:01,429
you think this should be so beans who

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evolved independently from us on another

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planet would probably look totally

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different from us and would have to

2782
02:08:12,429 --> 02:08:09,039
protect themselves from our atmosphere

2783
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you rarely get reports I'm adding a

2784
02:08:17,620 --> 02:08:14,419
little addendum here you rarely get

2785
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reports of beans in sort of protective

2786
02:08:22,629 --> 02:08:20,659
gear with with breathing apparatus or

2787
02:08:25,810 --> 02:08:22,639
something to protect them or the

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02:08:28,770 --> 02:08:25,820
abductees actually being put in in some

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02:08:31,959 --> 02:08:28,780
sort of safe atmospheric environment

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02:08:34,750 --> 02:08:31,969
what do you think have you ever had like

2791
02:08:36,950 --> 02:08:34,760
a jellyfish abducting people or

2792
02:08:40,160 --> 02:08:36,960
something that's not sort of

2793
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or by paddles sort of you know two legs

2794
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two arms in a head

2795
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well someone once reported to me that

2796
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they felt they had been abducted by a

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giant bird and I couldn't imagine how

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something without hands might have been

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able to develop the technology in which

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to travel from out in space to to here

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so that is the only account that I've

2802
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had of that sort of thing it makes sense

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to me that anyone of any species would

2804
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have to have a head would have to have

2805
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hands would have to have appendages and

2806
02:09:26,720 --> 02:09:23,790
perhaps these ETS are not even of our

2807
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own species maybe they're not mammals

2808
02:09:33,560 --> 02:09:30,180
maybe they cannot carry diseases to us

2809
02:09:36,260 --> 02:09:33,570
or catch our diseases maybe their bio

2810
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robots or something as well which has

2811
02:09:41,260 --> 02:09:38,640
been you know proposed for the small

2812
02:09:43,340 --> 02:09:41,270
alien gray types that have been reported

2813
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there is a school of thought that

2814
02:09:47,510 --> 02:09:45,330
suggests that perhaps these beans have

2815
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been manufactured their clones or some

2816
02:09:52,630 --> 02:09:49,770
sort of bio bot or something like that

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so yeah that was a good answer I'm

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pretty sure that there has to be some

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sort of ability to manipulate objects

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unless the bird had some sort of a

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prehensile tongue or something that

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could maybe a forked tongue that could

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work in concert with itself control your

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spaceship with uh with some wings I'll

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tell you what Chris before our tongues

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okay no more forked onions no more

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we have kathleen martin and denise toner

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joining us the book is the alien

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asking loads of questions from our

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listeners yeah we have as you mentioned

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gene we have answered a number of the

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questions that have been proposed but

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let's go on to some Betty and Barney

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questions Kathleen okay this is from

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stagger Lee he's a longtime poster at

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forum dr. Peric ascom and I have to

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wonder why a guy would name himself

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after 1950s rock and roll song Grateful

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stagger I love all these avatars some we

2945
02:16:00,700 --> 02:15:54,410
have a guy that calls himself Yeti turds

2946
02:16:07,090 --> 02:16:00,710
for sale so why'd the guy with Yeti

2947
02:16:09,190 --> 02:16:07,100
turds for sale to drop that well I you

2948
02:16:10,510 --> 02:16:09,200
know this is news to me if it's true and

2949
02:16:12,640 --> 02:16:10,520
I think Kathleen you might be able to

2950
02:16:16,090 --> 02:16:12,650
give us a little bit of insight on this

2951
02:16:18,940 --> 02:16:16,100
but he says a review of the book on the

2952
02:16:20,890 --> 02:16:18,950
website UFO iconoclast follows a thread

2953
02:16:23,800 --> 02:16:20,900
with some unusual comments from a couple

2954
02:16:26,200 --> 02:16:23,810
of members there both women say they too

2955
02:16:29,140 --> 02:16:26,210
have experienced missing time or aboard

2956
02:16:31,960 --> 02:16:29,150
an identical huge craft I'm not sure how

2957
02:16:34,300 --> 02:16:31,970
accurate that is but here's an

2958
02:16:36,670 --> 02:16:34,310
interesting one he's he also puts in

2959
02:16:38,490 --> 02:16:36,680
quotes that Betty Hill eventually came

2960
02:16:41,130 --> 02:16:38,500
to reject the extra-terrestrial

2961
02:16:44,320 --> 02:16:41,140
hypothesis as an explanation for her

2962
02:16:46,420 --> 02:16:44,330
encounter anything to these claims if so

2963
02:16:48,640 --> 02:16:46,430
can do nothing nothing Betty

2964
02:16:51,820 --> 02:16:48,650
in fact Betty I read that in a book

2965
02:16:54,100 --> 02:16:51,830
about and went to my Aunt Betty this was

2966
02:16:56,230 --> 02:16:54,110
back in the 90s I was really perplexed

2967
02:16:58,000 --> 02:16:56,240
it was even before I began my

2968
02:17:00,640 --> 02:16:58,010
investigation of her case so it must

2969
02:17:03,700 --> 02:17:00,650
have been the 80s actually and she said

2970
02:17:06,460 --> 02:17:03,710
so many people have written so much

2971
02:17:09,820 --> 02:17:06,470
false information about the case that it

2972
02:17:11,469 --> 02:17:09,830
is ridiculous and definitely she never

2973
02:17:15,189 --> 02:17:11,479
ever rejected that

2974
02:17:17,709 --> 02:17:15,199
and I did read that online recently it's

2975
02:17:19,750 --> 02:17:17,719
completely full well I know about false

2976
02:17:25,269 --> 02:17:19,760
I mean they tell false stories about me

2977
02:17:27,189 --> 02:17:25,279
and Chris the correct story about an

2978
02:17:30,339 --> 02:17:27,199
accurate story about Betty and Barney

2979
02:17:33,459 --> 02:17:30,349
Hill read captured the Betty and Barney

2980
02:17:36,429 --> 02:17:33,469
Hill UFO experience by Stanton Friedman

2981
02:17:38,769 --> 02:17:36,439
and myself and I agree that would be

2982
02:17:41,469 --> 02:17:38,779
news to me one thing though that I'm

2983
02:17:43,450 --> 02:17:41,479
looking for the question here it has to

2984
02:17:46,750 --> 02:17:43,460
do with the actual description that

2985
02:17:49,179 --> 02:17:46,760
Betty and Barney had of these beans that

2986
02:17:51,580 --> 02:17:49,189
they didn't seem to conform to what is

2987
02:17:54,099 --> 02:17:51,590
now most often reported as we mentioned

2988
02:17:57,729 --> 02:17:54,109
at the top of the show of these large

2989
02:18:00,910 --> 02:17:57,739
headed small spindly gray type aliens

2990
02:18:02,769 --> 02:18:00,920
give us a kind of a thumbnail sketch for

2991
02:18:05,080 --> 02:18:02,779
some of our newer listeners who may not

2992
02:18:08,919 --> 02:18:05,090
be as familiar with this very pivotal

2993
02:18:12,609 --> 02:18:08,929
case thing I addressed in my lectures

2994
02:18:16,419 --> 02:18:12,619
about Betty's and Barney's case I do

2995
02:18:19,899 --> 02:18:16,429
give in Barney's actual words the

2996
02:18:22,239 --> 02:18:19,909
description of these beings and also in

2997
02:18:25,479 --> 02:18:22,249
captured I have Betty's and Barney's

2998
02:18:28,779 --> 02:18:25,489
description but the individuals that

2999
02:18:32,889 --> 02:18:28,789
they saw would abducted them were gray

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02:18:35,859 --> 02:18:32,899
skins they had heads that were larger in

3001
02:18:40,660 --> 02:18:35,869
proportion to their bodies than humans

3002
02:18:44,109 --> 02:18:40,670
they had large eyes that reminded them

3003
02:18:47,979 --> 02:18:44,119
of cat-like meaning that they probably

3004
02:18:50,559 --> 02:18:47,989
had a vertical kind of pupil that opened

3005
02:18:52,540 --> 02:18:50,569
up and became very black as you looked

3006
02:18:56,679 --> 02:18:52,550
at it they did see a little bit of

3007
02:19:00,160 --> 02:18:56,689
yellow around the exterior edges of the

3008
02:19:03,549 --> 02:19:00,170
eyes they had thought only nostril or a

3009
02:19:06,279 --> 02:19:03,559
nose they observed a slit for a mouth

3010
02:19:08,769 --> 02:19:06,289
both independently stated that they

3011
02:19:12,849 --> 02:19:08,779
thought they had observed some kind of a

3012
02:19:16,269 --> 02:19:12,859
membrane inside that mouth communication

3013
02:19:18,759 --> 02:19:16,279
was telepathic there was no external ear

3014
02:19:22,029 --> 02:19:18,769
there was no hair they had a

3015
02:19:24,970 --> 02:19:22,039
barrel-shaped upper body

3016
02:19:28,661 --> 02:19:24,980
they had spindly arms

3017
02:19:31,661 --> 02:19:28,671
and Lake they walked with an odd gait

3018
02:19:33,911 --> 02:19:31,671
there were two groups aboard the craft

3019
02:19:36,190 --> 02:19:33,921
there were taller one who were about

3020
02:19:39,940 --> 02:19:36,200
four and a half to five feet tall and

3021
02:19:41,980 --> 02:19:39,950
then they observed one who was much much

3022
02:19:44,951 --> 02:19:41,990
shorter than that maybe three and a half

3023
02:19:50,051 --> 02:19:44,961
to four feet tall and this one's head

3024
02:19:52,990 --> 02:19:50,061
was round perfectly round and larger in

3025
02:19:55,810 --> 02:19:53,000
proportion to its body than the taller

3026
02:19:58,751 --> 02:19:55,820
ones that they observed they were

3027
02:20:00,850 --> 02:19:58,761
dressed in black shiny uniform that

3028
02:20:02,770 --> 02:20:00,860
appeared to be like bodysuit they they

3029
02:20:05,440 --> 02:20:02,780
were skin tight yeah I've heard

3030
02:20:08,201 --> 02:20:05,450
mentioned that the uniforms reminded I

3031
02:20:10,871 --> 02:20:08,211
think Barney of some sort of German army

3032
02:20:13,631 --> 02:20:10,881
uniform I'm not sure that's accurate no

3033
02:20:16,871 --> 02:20:13,641
that's not accurate either Barney

3034
02:20:19,360 --> 02:20:16,881
described the the uniforms and this is

3035
02:20:23,551 --> 02:20:19,370
in the original letter that Betty wrote

3036
02:20:27,100 --> 02:20:23,561
to major Donald Kehoe on September 26

3037
02:20:32,230 --> 02:20:27,110
1961 that they were dressed in shiny

3038
02:20:36,480 --> 02:20:32,240
black uniform and then Barney in October

3039
02:20:39,551 --> 02:20:36,490
of 1961 described to the NICAP

3040
02:20:41,951 --> 02:20:39,561
investigator Walter wept that they were

3041
02:20:45,610 --> 02:20:41,961
dressed in shiny black uniforms that

3042
02:20:47,591 --> 02:20:45,620
they were somehow not human because he

3043
02:20:49,990 --> 02:20:47,601
hadn't remembered all of the details

3044
02:20:52,990 --> 02:20:50,000
about their facial features and he

3045
02:20:55,091 --> 02:20:53,000
stated that when they turned their heads

3046
02:20:57,610 --> 02:20:55,101
and this was from a distance and he

3047
02:21:00,520 --> 02:20:57,620
observed them through binoculars he

3048
02:21:03,970 --> 02:21:00,530
thought that he saw some kind of a brim

3049
02:21:07,001 --> 02:21:03,980
maybe sticking out and so that was what

3050
02:21:10,650 --> 02:21:07,011
he stated he said it was the precision

3051
02:21:14,501 --> 02:21:10,660
of their movement that reminded him of

3052
02:21:17,291 --> 02:21:14,511
military officers that they all move in

3053
02:21:20,560 --> 02:21:17,301
unison they appeared to be carrying out

3054
02:21:23,051 --> 02:21:20,570
a plan and he had served in the Army

3055
02:21:24,610 --> 02:21:23,061
during World War two another statement I

3056
02:21:26,740 --> 02:21:24,620
wanted to make is there's been a lot of

3057
02:21:29,440 --> 02:21:26,750
confusion some people think that Barney

3058
02:21:33,161 --> 02:21:29,450
observed Nazis on board the craft that

3059
02:21:36,131 --> 02:21:33,171
is also fall I want to explain that dr.

3060
02:21:38,590 --> 02:21:36,141
Simon was a psychoanalyst and the

3061
02:21:40,479 --> 02:21:38,600
psychiatrist he used hypno and

3062
02:21:43,300 --> 02:21:40,489
alysus with Barney so this is different

3063
02:21:46,120 --> 02:21:43,310
than the kind of hypnosis we use today

3064
02:21:49,510 --> 02:21:46,130
and he instructed Barney as he

3065
02:21:52,359 --> 02:21:49,520
remembered this event every step of the

3066
02:21:56,320 --> 02:21:52,369
way starting the day before this

3067
02:21:59,530 --> 02:21:56,330
occurred that he should tell dr. Simon

3068
02:22:04,269 --> 02:21:59,540
what emotionally equivalent experience

3069
02:22:07,929 --> 02:22:04,279
he had had in the past so during this

3070
02:22:10,149 --> 02:22:07,939
huge period of abreaction when he was

3071
02:22:14,139 --> 02:22:10,159
observing these beings on board the

3072
02:22:17,500 --> 02:22:14,149
craft they were clearly non-human and he

3073
02:22:21,070 --> 02:22:17,510
felt that he was going to be captured he

3074
02:22:23,590 --> 02:22:21,080
wasn't able to move the way he wanted to

3075
02:22:26,290 --> 02:22:23,600
move he at first wasn't able to escape

3076
02:22:28,960 --> 02:22:26,300
he was being told to hold the binoculars

3077
02:22:31,300 --> 02:22:28,970
up to his eyes and just keep looking he

3078
02:22:34,149 --> 02:22:31,310
thought he was going to be captured he

3079
02:22:38,320 --> 02:22:34,159
at one point thought that he was

3080
02:22:41,160 --> 02:22:38,330
observing cannot see but he never said

3081
02:22:45,309 --> 02:22:41,170
that at any other time he stated and

3082
02:22:49,210 --> 02:22:45,319
that this was the emotional reaction

3083
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:49,220
that he was having and it reminded him

3084
02:22:55,780 --> 02:22:52,850
of his time during World War two and not

3085
02:22:59,559 --> 02:22:55,790
the officers so it wasn't a real event

3086
02:23:01,510 --> 02:22:59,569
it was his emotional I see and people

3087
02:23:03,580 --> 02:23:01,520
have taken that out of context obviously

3088
02:23:05,170 --> 02:23:03,590
they absolutely have they haven't

3089
02:23:07,240 --> 02:23:05,180
understood that and that's why I'm

3090
02:23:09,309 --> 02:23:07,250
explaining it now you know in the

3091
02:23:11,380 --> 02:23:09,319
beginning even when I wrote the book yes

3092
02:23:13,870 --> 02:23:11,390
so I think that it's very important for

3093
02:23:17,139 --> 02:23:13,880
me at this point to explain that and and

3094
02:23:19,450 --> 02:23:17,149
clear up the confusion well it's true we

3095
02:23:21,399 --> 02:23:19,460
can't even agree on what happened

3096
02:23:24,120 --> 02:23:21,409
yesterday I mean if you look at

3097
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political commentators you look at

3098
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different TV networks newspapers they

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have totally different reactions to

3100
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events that happened yesterday and you

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have to wonder we now have a case that

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goes back to the 1960s well it's

3103
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understandable that sometimes people

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don't get it right yes and some people

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have their own agendas that they want to

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from the usual offenders such as Amazon

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02:29:14,310 --> 02:29:12,190
etc that qualifies for Amazon Prime by

3209
02:29:16,020 --> 02:29:14,320
the way if you paid extra for the today

3210
02:29:18,091 --> 02:29:16,030
shipping with Gina and Chris and the

3211
02:29:20,100 --> 02:29:18,101
power cast our final segment I'm going

3212
02:29:22,711 --> 02:29:20,110
to ask both of you Kathleen and Denise

3213
02:29:25,381 --> 02:29:22,721
about where this research is going

3214
02:29:26,961 --> 02:29:25,391
what's the endgame is it's going to be

3215
02:29:29,730 --> 02:29:26,971
just a collection of very unusual

3216
02:29:33,421 --> 02:29:29,740
experiences how do we figure out what

3217
02:29:34,921 --> 02:29:33,431
actually happened and maybe make that

3218
02:29:37,470 --> 02:29:34,931
clear to everybody

3219
02:29:40,051 --> 02:29:37,480
if it's aliens how do we really prove it

3220
02:29:42,600 --> 02:29:40,061
have we proved it's from Zeta Reticuli

3221
02:29:44,011 --> 02:29:42,610
or Alpha Centauri or wherever does the

3222
02:29:46,740 --> 02:29:44,021
government know about it so many

3223
02:29:50,280 --> 02:29:46,750
questions Kathleen I have a personal

3224
02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:50,290
agenda and that is for experience or

3225
02:29:57,961 --> 02:29:54,010
strength and empowerment and I would

3226
02:30:00,900 --> 02:29:57,971
like to see experiencers get over this

3227
02:30:05,450 --> 02:30:00,910
feeling of victimization and to be able

3228
02:30:08,070 --> 02:30:05,460
to move on to be able to assess the

3229
02:30:11,930 --> 02:30:08,080
experiences that they are having to

3230
02:30:16,740 --> 02:30:11,940
search for the answers to attempt to

3231
02:30:20,520 --> 02:30:16,750
communicate with their et abductors or

3232
02:30:23,160 --> 02:30:20,530
visitors and to bring back messages to

3233
02:30:26,040 --> 02:30:23,170
us about the agenda about what they're

3234
02:30:27,841 --> 02:30:26,050
doing about their purpose okay but

3235
02:30:30,360 --> 02:30:27,851
that's assuming one that they are 80 and

3236
02:30:34,230 --> 02:30:30,370
they will be honest about their purpose

3237
02:30:37,320 --> 02:30:34,240
yes and and and it does and I want only

3238
02:30:39,750 --> 02:30:37,330
the messages that are being brought back

3239
02:30:41,341 --> 02:30:39,760
from the extra-terrestrial okay but how

3240
02:30:43,770 --> 02:30:41,351
do we assume those messages are correct

3241
02:30:46,381 --> 02:30:43,780
how do we evaluate those messages well

3242
02:30:48,890 --> 02:30:46,391
through independent statements if these

3243
02:30:52,020 --> 02:30:48,900
messages are delivered to me

3244
02:30:54,780 --> 02:30:52,030
confidentiality confidentially and they

3245
02:30:58,261 --> 02:30:54,790
are not spread all over the internet and

3246
02:30:58,810 --> 02:30:58,271
all over radio shows if they're brought

3247
02:31:02,890 --> 02:30:58,820
to me

3248
02:31:05,200 --> 02:31:02,900
potentially such as the messages that

3249
02:31:07,961 --> 02:31:05,210
were brought to Denis and myself through

3250
02:31:11,020 --> 02:31:07,971
the UFO abduction experience or survey

3251
02:31:13,841 --> 02:31:11,030
then we might be able to establish what

3252
02:31:16,450 --> 02:31:13,851
is reality and what is not because the

3253
02:31:17,200 --> 02:31:16,460
same message is repeated over and over

3254
02:31:18,940 --> 02:31:17,210
again

3255
02:31:21,370 --> 02:31:18,950
but that wouldn't stop ET or whatever

3256
02:31:23,171 --> 02:31:21,380
they are from lying in the same way each

3257
02:31:26,070 --> 02:31:23,181
and every time telling us well we're

3258
02:31:29,950 --> 02:31:26,080
here for X & Y but we're really looking

3259
02:31:32,200 --> 02:31:29,960
for agenda Z and again I will say if we

3260
02:31:34,390 --> 02:31:32,210
cannot trust anything what is the

3261
02:31:37,030 --> 02:31:34,400
purpose in doing any of this I might as

3262
02:31:38,650 --> 02:31:37,040
well now hang it up and not do anymore

3263
02:31:40,541 --> 02:31:38,660
and I'm not going to do that well I

3264
02:31:42,970 --> 02:31:40,551
understand in getting an accurate report

3265
02:31:46,360 --> 02:31:42,980
of the experience but once again the

3266
02:31:49,080 --> 02:31:46,370
intentions of ET what is ETS intentions

3267
02:31:52,930 --> 02:31:49,090
you have any ideas either of you well

3268
02:31:55,810 --> 02:31:52,940
you see we do hold back some secrets and

3269
02:31:58,030 --> 02:31:55,820
we do hold back some markers just as if

3270
02:32:00,100 --> 02:31:58,040
we're working with a crime scene and we

3271
02:32:02,650 --> 02:32:00,110
have some information and some things

3272
02:32:05,051 --> 02:32:02,660
that we're looking for for instance why

3273
02:32:07,270 --> 02:32:05,061
do those of us that feel we have been

3274
02:32:10,381 --> 02:32:07,280
given some information by the ETS and

3275
02:32:14,020 --> 02:32:10,391
can't get the key to that to unlock it

3276
02:32:17,620 --> 02:32:14,030
something occurs to several of us that

3277
02:32:19,990 --> 02:32:17,630
we know of so far and we're looking for

3278
02:32:22,600 --> 02:32:20,000
others to come forward with that exact

3279
02:32:24,461 --> 02:32:22,610
information to see how many of us have

3280
02:32:28,030 --> 02:32:24,471
the same thing happen when we try to

3281
02:32:29,921 --> 02:32:28,040
unlock that it's a big key it's a big

3282
02:32:34,060 --> 02:32:29,931
key and it'll give us a clue

3283
02:32:35,980 --> 02:32:34,070
more of a clue to who these ETS are and

3284
02:32:38,740 --> 02:32:35,990
I'm not going to disclose that because

3285
02:32:41,740 --> 02:32:38,750
if I did we'd be ruining a big piece of

3286
02:32:43,631 --> 02:32:41,750
the puzzle so we have things that we

3287
02:32:45,791 --> 02:32:43,641
know that we're not going to tell and

3288
02:32:49,780 --> 02:32:45,801
some questions will be coming out in the

3289
02:32:53,171 --> 02:32:49,790
study asking a question that's pertinent

3290
02:32:55,421 --> 02:32:53,181
to more information that we need yeah I

3291
02:32:58,330 --> 02:32:55,431
think that's very it's an important

3292
02:33:00,841 --> 02:32:58,340
investigative tool to have markers to

3293
02:33:03,730 --> 02:33:00,851
have flagged type information

3294
02:33:05,501 --> 02:33:03,740
descriptions I have a number of things

3295
02:33:07,270 --> 02:33:05,511
that I look for as well when I'm

3296
02:33:09,700 --> 02:33:07,280
interviewing witnesses of high strange

3297
02:33:10,460 --> 02:33:09,710
events one thing that skeptics always

3298
02:33:12,410 --> 02:33:10,470
ask is

3299
02:33:15,740 --> 02:33:12,420
how come people don't try to grab

3300
02:33:19,580 --> 02:33:15,750
something or bring back souvenirs or

3301
02:33:21,410 --> 02:33:19,590
attempt to do what WC Levengood for

3302
02:33:24,740 --> 02:33:21,420
instance suggested why not them set up

3303
02:33:26,929 --> 02:33:24,750
hidden cameras in the room some sort of

3304
02:33:30,530 --> 02:33:26,939
surveillance net of the bedroom if it's

3305
02:33:33,320 --> 02:33:30,540
a nocturnal events or possibly he

3306
02:33:36,019 --> 02:33:33,330
suggested women wearing their hair in

3307
02:33:39,650 --> 02:33:36,029
rollers and embedding underman ated

3308
02:33:42,170 --> 02:33:39,660
seeds in in the rollers so that after an

3309
02:33:44,110 --> 02:33:42,180
abduction experience they have some

3310
02:33:47,300 --> 02:33:44,120
external thing that can be

3311
02:33:49,700 --> 02:33:47,310
scientifically analyzed has anyone ever

3312
02:33:51,590 --> 02:33:49,710
mentioned attempting to grab something

3313
02:33:52,400 --> 02:33:51,600
not nailed down aboard a ship and

3314
02:33:54,860 --> 02:33:52,410
bringing it back

3315
02:33:57,349 --> 02:33:54,870
has anybody arrived back with and been

3316
02:33:59,269 --> 02:33:57,359
able to prove through testimony of

3317
02:34:01,910 --> 02:33:59,279
others that they arrived with their bed

3318
02:34:04,280 --> 02:34:01,920
clothes on backwards or something that

3319
02:34:06,019 --> 02:34:04,290
would indicate that there actually was

3320
02:34:07,639 --> 02:34:06,029
some sort of high strange event other

3321
02:34:10,160 --> 02:34:07,649
than their recollection or their word

3322
02:34:12,620 --> 02:34:10,170
boy we're about to work on some of that

3323
02:34:14,809 --> 02:34:12,630
we're working on cameras we're working

3324
02:34:18,969 --> 02:34:14,819
on all kinds of things to try to capture

3325
02:34:21,950 --> 02:34:18,979
something in in a room in my home

3326
02:34:24,170 --> 02:34:21,960
because of what's occurred lately but

3327
02:34:27,170 --> 02:34:24,180
when you've got batteries that fail all

3328
02:34:29,599 --> 02:34:27,180
at once like the the radio in my car the

3329
02:34:31,219 --> 02:34:29,609
mirrors in my car my insulin pump on a

3330
02:34:34,099 --> 02:34:31,229
three month battery that was just

3331
02:34:36,349 --> 02:34:34,109
powered up gone my cell phone gone all

3332
02:34:39,349 --> 02:34:36,359
at once all in one evening and Cathy's

3333
02:34:41,450 --> 02:34:39,359
GPS in her car quitting and taking us on

3334
02:34:43,820 --> 02:34:41,460
a road we weren't supposed to be on all

3335
02:34:45,590 --> 02:34:43,830
of that at once in one evening you know

3336
02:34:47,900 --> 02:34:45,600
what that sounds like a pretty

3337
02:34:50,150 --> 02:34:47,910
interesting case study right there well

3338
02:34:52,219 --> 02:34:50,160
did you see anything strange or was it

3339
02:34:54,830 --> 02:34:52,229
just the electromagnetic effects I

3340
02:34:56,990 --> 02:34:54,840
didn't get home on time and then we

3341
02:35:00,679 --> 02:34:57,000
discovered completely by accident that

3342
02:35:03,290 --> 02:35:00,689
within 10 feet of a trimeter electrical

3343
02:35:07,790 --> 02:35:03,300
field I spiked it and set the alarm off

3344
02:35:10,190 --> 02:35:07,800
for oh gosh many days Wow how do you

3345
02:35:12,380 --> 02:35:10,200
explain that scientifically mm-hmm

3346
02:35:14,330 --> 02:35:12,390
interesting well in terms of the

3347
02:35:16,729 --> 02:35:14,340
batteries I always try to plug things in

3348
02:35:18,830 --> 02:35:16,739
when I'm like get a haunted side or

3349
02:35:20,570 --> 02:35:18,840
doing some sort of investigation where

3350
02:35:22,429 --> 02:35:20,580
there is accessible power

3351
02:35:23,200 --> 02:35:22,439
I hope it's try to utilize it because

3352
02:35:25,719 --> 02:35:23,210
boo I don't know

3353
02:35:28,150 --> 02:35:25,729
many times I've had the the batteries

3354
02:35:30,400 --> 02:35:28,160
drain and I've recounted a number of

3355
02:35:34,540 --> 02:35:30,410
these occurrences and past shows so that

3356
02:35:36,040 --> 02:35:34,550
is definitely you know a very very real

3357
02:35:38,530 --> 02:35:36,050
problem that many people have

3358
02:35:41,650 --> 02:35:38,540
encountered but using something like a

3359
02:35:44,890 --> 02:35:41,660
underman ated weed wheat seeds and in

3360
02:35:47,410 --> 02:35:44,900
rollers in the hair is a one that I

3361
02:35:50,110 --> 02:35:47,420
think should be explored I've never

3362
02:35:52,600 --> 02:35:50,120
heard of anybody actually successfully

3363
02:35:55,270 --> 02:35:52,610
using some sort of technique like that

3364
02:35:58,050 --> 02:35:55,280
where you have on germinated seeds that

3365
02:36:02,820 --> 02:35:58,060
would it would be pretty easy to detect

3366
02:36:06,070 --> 02:36:02,830
any sort of exotic energies let's say or

3367
02:36:09,190 --> 02:36:06,080
at least measure the the germination

3368
02:36:11,680 --> 02:36:09,200
rate of seeds going through an

3369
02:36:14,230 --> 02:36:11,690
experience with you and against control

3370
02:36:17,110 --> 02:36:14,240
control samples so that may be something

3371
02:36:19,810 --> 02:36:17,120
that you might want to attempt but but

3372
02:36:22,270 --> 02:36:19,820
where do you see the the future of this

3373
02:36:24,490 --> 02:36:22,280
entire field going it seems we haven't

3374
02:36:28,000 --> 02:36:24,500
been seen as much in the news about it

3375
02:36:30,820 --> 02:36:28,010
it seems to have kind of disappeared off

3376
02:36:33,700 --> 02:36:30,830
the radar and the media somewhat do you

3377
02:36:36,370 --> 02:36:33,710
see do you think that this is is this is

3378
02:36:40,750 --> 02:36:36,380
an accurate reflection of the intensity

3379
02:36:43,090 --> 02:36:40,760
of the phenomena or do you think that we

3380
02:36:47,410 --> 02:36:43,100
are actually just burbling ride-alongs

3381
02:36:50,830 --> 02:36:47,420
well what do you think well I think that

3382
02:36:53,920 --> 02:36:50,840
we're moving our along very cautiously

3383
02:36:56,830 --> 02:36:53,930
and as scientifically as possible to

3384
02:36:59,670 --> 02:36:56,840
look toward the answers for the answers

3385
02:37:03,670 --> 02:36:59,680
and that there is a whole underground

3386
02:37:07,210 --> 02:37:03,680
movement with abduction experiencers who

3387
02:37:11,820 --> 02:37:07,220
are coming together to share information

3388
02:37:15,160 --> 02:37:11,830
and that this might be the future that

3389
02:37:17,490 --> 02:37:15,170
they might be the people who actually do

3390
02:37:19,540 --> 02:37:17,500
find the answers that we're looking for

3391
02:37:22,420 --> 02:37:19,550
Kathleen can you tell our listeners

3392
02:37:25,060 --> 02:37:22,430
where they can find more about you and

3393
02:37:30,120 --> 02:37:25,070
maybe send you an email yes well my

3394
02:37:34,840 --> 02:37:30,130
website is Kathleen - Mardon ma rden

3395
02:37:36,370 --> 02:37:34,850
comm and my email address is listed on

3396
02:37:38,889 --> 02:37:36,380
that website you can

3397
02:37:41,770 --> 02:37:38,899
also purchase an autographed copy of the

3398
02:37:43,750 --> 02:37:41,780
alien abduction files and any of my

3399
02:37:46,179 --> 02:37:43,760
other books I have several articles

3400
02:37:47,850 --> 02:37:46,189
there and my speaking engagements this

3401
02:37:51,850 --> 02:37:47,860
year are also listed on my website

3402
02:37:54,969 --> 02:37:51,860
Denise yes Denise Amazon Margaret stoner

3403
02:37:56,740 --> 02:37:54,979
dot-com and you can read about me there

3404
02:37:58,780 --> 02:37:56,750
and purchase an autographed copy of the

3405
02:38:00,310 --> 02:37:58,790
book for me they're also they'll be

3406
02:38:04,660 --> 02:38:00,320
fighting for the sale of autographed

3407
02:38:07,750 --> 02:38:04,670
copies that's great you can find Chris

3408
02:38:10,450 --> 02:38:07,760
O'Brien at our strange planet com our

3409
02:38:12,250 --> 02:38:10,460
strange planet because it is a strange

3410
02:38:15,280 --> 02:38:12,260
planet as you discovered ladies and

3411
02:38:18,219 --> 02:38:15,290
gentlemen you can find us on Twitter we

3412
02:38:20,560 --> 02:38:18,229
are the para cast the para casts on

3413
02:38:22,990 --> 02:38:20,570
Twitter look for the para cast fan club

3414
02:38:26,110 --> 02:38:23,000
two of them on Facebook someday we'll

3415
02:38:29,110 --> 02:38:26,120
combine them to one or visit forum dr.

3416
02:38:31,210 --> 02:38:29,120
Peric ascom to post your messages and

3417
02:38:33,250 --> 02:38:31,220
make your comments denise stoner

3418
02:38:35,500 --> 02:38:33,260
kathleen martin thank you so much for

3419
02:38:38,050 --> 02:38:35,510
joining us this week on the para cast

3420
02:38:39,880 --> 02:38:38,060
thank you so much for having us we've

3421
02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:39,890
enjoyed this and we like getting this

3422
02:38:44,350 --> 02:38:42,170
information out spread it far and wide

3423
02:38:47,050 --> 02:38:44,360
for anybody that is looking and

3424
02:38:49,030 --> 02:38:47,060
searching and thank you so much for

3425
02:38:55,530 --> 02:38:49,040
having us it was a pleasure to be with

3426
02:39:02,080 --> 02:38:59,050
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3427
02:39:04,950 --> 02:39:02,090
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3428
02:39:08,679 --> 02:39:04,960
presentation of making the impossible